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FAKER: Vile holocaust denier caught in web of lies
The weird and disturbing industry of holocaust denial is usually populated by dorky pretend academics who wear ill-fitting suits and fantasise late at night about being Fuhrer. “Lady Renouf” is a former model from Newcastle, Australia now living in London who breaks that mould, at least presentationally. In an excellent takedown, in the Weekend Australian magazine yesterday, their Peter Wilson shows that telling lies is at the core of Holocaust denial and that only after some pretty intense questioning did the real motivation come out: she doesn’t like Jews.Â
If only the rest of the filth in Holocaust denial were as honest as this compulsive liar and fantasist.
WEEKEND AUSTRALIAN MAGAZINE
Edition 1SAT 14 FEB 2009, Page 018
PRETTY DANGEROUS
By Peter Wilson
London socialite Lady Renouf courts global attention as the attractive face of Holocaust denial. Who would guess she was once plain Michele Mainwaring, a beauty queen from the NSW central coast? Peter Wilson meets her.
At 22, Michele Mainwaring was a beauty queen from the NSW central coast whose titles included “Miss Zhivago” for being judged the local woman who looked most like Julie Christie in the biggest film then showing. By 42, she was a London socialite with a grand house and ballroom who called herself “Countess Griaznoff” and posed for family portraits with her Russian husband and two daughters in costumes that could have been designed for Omar Sharif’s film.
Now, at 62, she is known as Lady Renouf, from her short-lived second marriage, and on the wall of her apartment in upmarket Kensington, London, is a photo of her being kissed by Omar Sharif during the brief period they dated about a decade ago.
But it is not her glamorous social life that has recently made Miss Newcastle-Hunter Valley 1968 mildly famous in Britain, Germany and Australia. “This woman is especially dangerous,” says Dr Efraim Zuroff, the chief Nazi-hunter at the Simon Wiesenthal Centre in Jerusalem, “because she is so attractive and can put a pretty face on a very ugly movement.”
That movement is Holocaust denial, a decades-old attempt to play down the Nazi atrocities against Jews and other minorities.
After showing no interest in Jews or World War II until her 50s, Renouf now travels the world speaking at conferences, alongside former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke and other extremists, arguing that the Holocaust has been massively exaggerated and that in any case the Jews are to blame. The only prominent female denier, the girl from The Entrance, NSW, has met Iran’s Holocaust-denying president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and lauded him as a champion of free speech and democracy despite charges by human rights groups that his regime tortures dissidents and stifles free speech.
Some experts are worried that, as the last witnesses of the Holocaust die, the deniers could gain ground in the West by focusing their propaganda on students at university and high school. The deniers were bolstered last month by Pope Benedict’s acceptance back into the Catholic Church of ultra-conservative British bishop Richard Williamson, who claims that historical evidence is “hugely against six million having been deliberately gassed in gas chambers as a deliberate policy of Adolf Hitler … I believe there were no gas chambers”. The political and public outcry across Europe at the pope’s decision – not least in his native country, Germany, where Holocaust denial is a crime – shows the depth of feeling that surrounds the issue.
Other Holocaust historians such as Zuroff say the deniers’ biggest impact is in the Arab world and among Muslims in countries such as Britain. “For political and religious reasons there is just a closed mindset [in the Arab world] and that is where people openly say the Holocaust never happened,” he says. “Or they invert it against Israel – that we are the new Nazis and the conflict right now is us committing a Holocaust against the Palestinians.”
With fears of rising anti-Semitism in Europe, and Israel under growing pressure over its conflict with the Palestinians, the denial movement is becoming more than “a loopy fringe group that can be ignored”, says Zuroff. “That is why this woman is just perfect for people like the Iranians … they have this blonde, pretty woman speaking in an English accent in Tehran [at a 2006 Holocaust denial conference] and on Iranian TV telling them they are right and the Jews are evil. This is a dangerous person.”
My first contact with Michele Renouf is via the intercom of her Kensington apartment. I had just learnt that Dr Fredrick Toben, Australia’s best-known Holocaust denier, had been released after 50 days in London’s Wandsworth prison and was staying in Renouf’s apartment.
British police had used a European Union arrest warrant, issued by Germany, to pluck Toben from a plane transiting through Heathrow last year. A legal team organised by Renouf beat an attempt to extradite him to Germany, where he is wanted on charges carrying a fiveyear jail sentence. Renouf tells me through the intercom in her posh English accent that Toben is standing beside her but will not talk to me until he has safely returned to Australia. (Adelaide-based Toben, once back on home soil, would announce his intention to return to Germany to “thrash it out” with prosecutors.)
Several days after talking through the intercom with Renouf she invites me to a press conference that she is holding in the small Cranley Gardens Hotel, near her apartment, to discuss Toben’s victory. Smiling and immaculately groomed in a woollen pantsuit, she is as handsome as one would expect of a woman who has for decades worked as a model in TV and print commercials, now often cast as a well-to-do woman of a certain age.
The British press has stayed away and the small conference room she has rented holds about a dozen Toben supporters, including David Irving, the British historian who was labelled an anti-Semite and a falsifier of history by a High Court judge in a 2000 libel trial.
Renouf announces that Toben has left for Australia “but in his stead we have an expert who has come especially from France”. Dr Robert Faurisson will discuss “the meat of the issue”, the deniers’ rejection of the mainstream account of the Holocaust. At this news Irving scurries from the room – fearful, Renouf explains later, that being involved in such a conference would threaten his ability to visit the US.
“Conference” is a loose description. I am the only reporter listening to Faurisson’s 80-minute speech, which Renouf films for the internet. Like every other dedicated Holocaust denier outside the Arab world, Faurisson is not a professional historian. An 80-year-old former professor of literature, he began disputing the Holocaust in the’70s and has been repeatedly convicted in France, one of 10 countries that outlaw Holocaust denial. Faurisson’s basic claim is that Jewish leaders invented the Holocaust to win sympathy and gain a homeland in Israel. There is no proof that Hitler and the Nazis planned genocide, he says, the toll of six million dead does not add up, and the gas chambers at Auschwitz were not used to kill people. Instead, he insists, the gas chambers were aimed at helping the Jews by using the poison Zyklon B to kill lice in order to fight typhus.
“In Auschwitz I visited by myself what is called Crematorium One,” he says. “I immediately saw that it could not be a gas chamber.” The room was not sealed properly, one of its doors had a fragile glass window, and the holes in the roof through which the Nazis supposedly dropped gas pellets had been added after the war, he says.
He claims that a plaque displayed at Auschwitz in the’70s stated that four million people had been killed there. That number has now been revised down to just over one million but the “Holocaust industry” still claims that six million Jews died, even though the plaque’s toll was out by three million, he says.
Not long after hearing Faurisson I visit Auschwitz. All the time I am there, ringing in my head are Faurisson’s claims that the “Hollywood version” of its terrible history is untrue. The camp, in Poland, does have a powerful effect on a visitor but not the one claimed by Faurisson and Renouf.
The Nazis dynamited the largest gas chambers as Soviet soldiers approached in January 1945 and the surviving chamber that Faurisson refers to is the oldest, smallest and most primitive. His arguments crumble a few seconds after one enters that grim, dark room. The thin glass window that he cited proves nothing: it is obviously a reconstruction.
A guide at the camp confirms to anyone who asks that what one now sees in Auschwitz was largely rebuilt after the war by the Polish communists. The four holes in the roof that Faurisson talks about were also part of a clumsy postwar reconstruction but it is easy to see the outlines of the original holes, which are now sealed up.
Renouf wants a televised debate between Faurisson and Laurence Rees, a BBC documentary-maker who did a six-part series on Auschwitz in 2005. Rees tells me he would never take part in such a debate, a position shared by almost all leading historians, who say it is valid to debate details of the Holocaust but not the basic fact that the Nazis deliberately killed something like six million people, 90 per cent of them Jews, and largely with gas chambers.
“It is pointless discussing history with Holocaust deniers,” Rees says. “It would be like discussing climate change with members of the Flat Earth Society. My experience is that they do not want to know the answers and they want to suck you in so as to publicise themselves and pretend this is a ‘legitimate debate’. It isn’t legitimate and it isn’t a debate.
“Since the existence and working practice of the gas chambers has been established as a 100 per cent historical fact, getting involved with these questions is like trying to debate the Norman Conquest with someone who maintains that the Battle of Hastings never happened and that William the Conqueror might have been a Martian.
“Can you ‘prove’ that William the Conqueror wasn’t really a Martian? How can you ‘prove’ he didn’t have a funny green pointed head – in fact, isn’t that almost certainly why the Normans wore those funny helmets?”
“Can you ‘prove’ that William the Conqueror wasn’t really a Martian? How can you ‘prove’ he didn’t have a funny green pointed head – in fact, isn’t that almost certainly why the Normans wore those funny helmets?”
A few days after Renouf’s press conference I sit down with her in the foyer of the Cranley Gardens Hotel for what turns out to be a five-hour interview over several cups of tea. Polite and friendly but with a well-mannered reserve, she is quite guarded at first. When she appears on extremist and anti-Semitic radio programs and Iranian TV shows she is billed as a “human rights activist”, “political commentator”, or “filmmaker”, as she has begun making and selling her own films questioning the Holocaust and slamming Israel.
She says she is not anti-Semitic because, while she criticises Judaism, she has nothing against Jews. Her critics “always say I am charming but sinister. But if you meet me you actually don’t find this hate that they speak about. You find criticism but you don’t find hate … Jews who know me like me.”
That’s a view not supported by my conversations with several Jews who know her. Their anger is not hard to fathom. Over a few hours of conversation an increasingly relaxed Renouf expresses views that do not make her popular in polite society, Jewish or otherwise.
Jews, she says, follow a religion which is dishonest, inhumane, supremacist, hate-fuelled, predatory and treacherous. In fact “it does not deserve to be called a religion at all”.
“The definition of a Jew is antigentile,” she insists, and it is their own selfish behaviour which has provoked anti-Semitism over the centuries, making them responsible for their own persecution.
While we share biscuits with our tea she trots out cliches – how Jews control Hollywood, the media, banking, advertising, academia and Western foreign policy. “Australia, like Britain, is an occupied country: occupied by proZionist policy,” she says. What is more, Hitler had no choice but to put Jews into concentration camps because international Zionist leaders had “declared an economic war on Germany in 1933 to try to destroy Germany”.
“So you have to, to protect your own people, put the enemy into the camp. And when you put people into a camp, the risk in close quarters of disease and so on are multiplied. So there were gas chambers, sure, but for delousing. Whether there were gas chambers for murderous intent I cannot say because I have not heard a proper debate.”
A shared view of Judaism has made her something of a fan of hardline Islamists. Israel has no moral right to exist, she insists, Hamas and Hezbollah are “wonderful and noble”, and jihadist suicide bombers “are reacting to our appalling decision to go to war [in Iraq] on a lie. So we are the culprits”.
Praising Muslim attitudes to women, she volunteers that she “would be on the side of the Muslim leader in Australia who said our women are looking like meat” – a reference to Sheik Taj Din alHilali, who provoked a storm in 2006 by saying that women who did not dress conservatively were like “uncovered meat” and invited sexual attack.
The life-long advertising model says she disagrees with compulsory burqas but feels that “the way Muslim women dress basically is better for us than the way women are encouraged to dress in the Western, Judeo-influenced societies, consumer societies which promote the baseness of us … The Jewish influence in fashion, in Hollywood and so on creates the ethos of this kind of women serving-men value system.”
Renouf, who has received death threats, expresses these views without any open anger or venom, and often seems surprised when people take offence. She complains that she has been cast as “the most notorious woman in London”.
That clearly rankles with someone who values social status – she mentions more than once that she can trace her father’s family back to 1086 and the Domesday Book – but it does not worry her enough to make her tone down her views. In 2003 she was expelled from London’s prestigious Reform Club for using the club to champion Irving and his views on Hitler, and she has been kicked out of other social groups.
She admits her two adult daughters disagree with her views and “can’t bear what I do … because they obviously don’t want me to be at risk, and also they have been conditioned like anybody else”.
She met their father, Daniel Ivan Zadeh, an Australian psychiatrist of Russian descent, during a trip to the Gold Coast in 1968 as part of her prize for winning Miss Radio 2HD Newcastle Beach Girl. The couple shifted to London in 1970, where they married.
IvanZadeh had always been plain “Mr” or “Doctor” but Renouf says the family had once claimed a title through his great-uncle, so she began styling herself as Countess Griaznoff “for my charity work”. No such title exists in the major lists of European noble families such as the Almanach de Gotha or Burke’s Royal Families of the World.
They divorced in 1990 and the following year, at 44, she married Sir Frank Renouf, the Kiwi financier 28 years her senior who’d recently emerged from an acrimonious split with Susan Rossiter-Peacock-Sangster-Renouf.
The press swooped, obtaining a copy of the new wedding certificate. Michele had listed her father, Arthur, as a deceased hotelier but the press found him alive in NSW. The retired courier driver and photographer for the Port Macquarie News said he had never owned a hotel.
Sir Frank felt humiliated and the marriage did not survive the six-week honeymoon in New Zealand.
Asked about the misleading marriage certificate, Renouf says her grandparents owned a country pub in NSW. Her parents separated when she was 10 and she never really knew what her father did for a living, she says. She’d had no contact with him for several years before the wedding and “I knew that he was dying of cancer and someone had sent me a condolence card so I assumed that meant that he had died”.
She says Sir Frank tried to patch things up but she refused and he divorced her in 1995 on the grounds of her alleged “unreasonable behaviour” with a Bulgarian fencing champion, an allegation she denies. Sir Frank died three years later.
She says she did not ask for a settlement and she now funds her activities “with some difficulty”. Jewish advertising executives have been giving her less work due to her Holocaust views, she says.
She devotes much of her time to the cause of Holocaust “revision”, travelling to Austria, Canada, France and Germany to witness trials of deniers and speaking at a Holocaust review conference held by the Iranian Government in Tehran in 2006.
At that conference she gave a fiery denunciation of Israel and Judaism and afterwards was elected to a committee to organise another conference, alongside Toben and Dr Christian Lindtner, a Danish Holocaust-denier to whom she was briefly engaged in 2007. Theirs was a romance launched by Holocaust denial – they first met early in 2006 at a Danish conference and they next spent time together at the Tehran conference.
What I kept wondering, though, was where her obsession with Judaism had come from. By her own account, “growing up in Australia I never heard anybody even talk about Jews. I certainly had no predisposition, my world was not divided into Jew and gentile. In fact, I thought they all died out like the Pharisees and all the other Biblical sects that you heard about in school.”
She says she first became interested in the Holocaust in 2000 when David Irving lost his high-profile libel action against an American historian for branding him a Holocaust-denier.
But she had already been interested for several years in “the anti-gentile nature of Judaism”. In 1997 she wrote and published a booklet that appalled academics by rejecting the widely held view that Hitler’s favourite composer, Richard Wagner, had expressed antiSemitism in his operas. She met Toben the following year when she was promoting her booklet at the Adelaide Festival.
In 1999 she enrolled in a master’s degree in the psychology of religion at the University of London’s Heythrop College to pursue her obsession.
But where did it all start? According to Renouf, it was a 1997 argument about a dish of suckling pig. She’d set up a committee of 25 friends to help her organise a dinner to fund a new dressing room for Shakespeare’s Globe Theatre in London, but trouble blew up over the menu.
“I had asked the caterers, The Ivy restaurant, if they could give us perhaps a choice in the main course,” she says. “And they suggested for an Elizabethan feast why don’t you have suckling pig, a good vegetarian choice and perhaps sea bass, because sea bass is sort of regarded as a glamorous dish.
“When I presented that choice to my coterie one Jewish girl said, ‘We regard your offering a choice in the main course as tyrannical and if you are going to insist upon it I am going to resign.’ Eventually she said, ‘You cannot expect Jews to sit at the table where others might choose pork … ‘
“The really interesting thing was the fear in the room of the other 24 people. They said, ‘Please let’s not pursue this issue,’ and I said, ‘Why, what is your fear?’ They said, ‘It is anti-Semitic.’ I said, ‘But for heaven’s sake, what is antiSemitic about discussing food?’ We weren’t eating eyeballs or something that was frightful to us, it wasn’t such an astonishing thing, we weren’t eating horse or cat or something outrageous.
“It got me terribly interested because it meant that sensible people were being dictated to by this woman’s religion even though I happen to know that she eats bacon and eggs. She resigned from the committee and the two other Jews in the room resigned with her.”
She refuses to name the woman who objected to her menu, but mentions that she had been prominent in the International Churchill Society. Through that Churchill link I later track down the woman, a retired American art gallery owner named Wylma Wayne, and I speak to her and two other women who were on Renouf’s fund-raising committee.
Wayne says Renouf’s version of the fight is nonsense. “From what I can remember that [argument] was not really about religion or eating pork at all. She was just being domineering and I objected to her behaviour. I thought it was ridiculous and self-aggrandising to spend all this money on an elaborate menu when the aim was to raise money.”
Another member of the committee tells me that at least one of the other women who resigned in support of Wayne was not Jewish.
I put this to Renouf when I meet her for a second extended interview, a four-hour session in her apartment over smoked salmon and cucumber sandwiches, tea and scones. She stands by her version of the suckling pig affair, saying she believes that those who resigned from the committee were indeed Jewish.
I raise another question from the past: while she claims to have graduated from Sydney’s prestigious National Art School, I understand that she studied in Newcastle. She says she did some classes in Newcastle but that she definitely graduated from the NAS. The NAS has no record of her studying there, but other archives show that in 1968 she graduated under her maiden name, Michele Suzanne Mainwaring, with a Diploma in Art (Education) from Newcastle Technical College.
Another question concerns her speech to the Holocaust conference in Tehran, in which she said she had been expelled from Heythrop College for criticising Judaism in her essays.
“I was ‘asked to study elsewhere’,” she told the conference, lambasting Christian “collusion” with Judaism.
The Reverend Dr John McDade, the principal of Heythrop College, remembers things differently and checked Renouf’s file to confirm that her account was inaccurate. “She was not expelled at all,” he says. “She failed. She simply did not submit her work so she was failed. I have the letter here in which she was formally told that she could not come back because for two years in a row she did not submit her core work for assessment.”
When I put that to Renouf she is adamant she’d been expelled. She says the Jesuit-run college had appointed a Hasidic Jew with the power to veto any student and that person had rejected her essays. The college’s registrar tells me later it had never had any Jewish person in such a position.
Finally we return to the Holocaust, and the great store she places in Robert Faurisson’s nonsense about the plaques at Auschwitz. Time and again she argues that “there is a deficit now of three million people but it is called Holocaust denial if you point out that six minus three equals three, not six”.
The fact is that the figure of four million on the ’70s plaque was part of Polish communist propaganda and has nothing to do with the current consensus among historians that about six million died in the Holocaust.
Experts say up to 3.4 million were killed at the main death camps – 1.1 million to 1.3 million at Auschwitz, 875,000 at Treblinka, 600,000 at Belzec, 250,000 at each of Chelmno and Sobibor, and 100,000 at Majdanek. At least 1.5 million more were killed by mobile SS death squads in eastern Poland and the Soviet Union, while the rest were killed in various ways such as shootings in Poland and deaths in smaller camps around Europe.
Renouf listens politely but after I have cited those figures she seems not to have heard me. She just repeats that “six minus three does not equal six” then changes the topic.
Perhaps sensing my frustration in the ninth hour of our interviews, Lady Renouf becomes more direct. Her main reason for not believing “the Hollywood version” of the Holocaust, she says, is that she doubts anything said by Zionist leaders. “I loathe Judaism … and I see things through that prism.”
She certainly has no plans to drop her obsession. In fact, she intends to move on to what she considers “the new front line” of the Holocaust issue, the school system. Deniers in Denmark have set up a website encouraging schoolchildren to be sceptical about the Holocaust and she wants to run a similar campaign. “This is what we need in this country and this is what I want to do next,” she says. “I am determined to get the truth out there.”
Peter Wilson is The Australian’s European correspondent. His previous story for the magazine was “The family guy” (December 13-14, 2008), about director Ron Howard.
Caption: “There were gas chambers, sure, but for delousing,” says Renouf (left) about Nazi camps such as Auschwitz (opposite, January 27, 1945).
David Irving, far left, who was censured for twisting historical evidence in his defence of Hitler; Renouf as a model.
Jewish children in Auschwitz; Australian Holocaust denier Fredrick Toben with Iran’s President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
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Fascinating article. What a strange woman!
It’s always interesting that holocaust deniers invariably also hate Jews. This proves that they are primarily driven by hatred.
What a silly woman.
It’s up to the individual just how much of the holocaust myth they believe. Frankly I’m more interested in the 40million plus Christians the Jewish Communists killed in their gulags. Frankly it’s impossible to find a single Jew that would admit any involvement. So sod their holocaust.
Surely even Wacko Jacko must find these Holocaust deniers to be objectionable.
To blame Jewry for the Stalinist purges is an abomination.
It is true that Stalin killed more people than Hitler, but those killed were not killed because they were Jews.
In the last year of his life Stalin arrested all Jewish doctors in Moscow. When he fell ill there were no experienced doctors around who could have revived him. Stalin killed Stalin. Not Jews.
Anti Semitism is vile no matter where it is perpetrated. Those who talk about Jewish Bolsheviks are anti Semitic. True, some Bolsheviks were Jewish, but so are some members of many political parties. It is wrong to blame all Jews just because a small number were supporters of the vile Stalin.
Michael the UK screwball! Where’s all your evidence for the gulags. The russkies were even more secretive than the Nazis. Send all your evidence to my dustbin!
Well it seems my reply might be censored “Your comment is awaiting moderation”.
But the fact Communism was Jewish is undeniable
The holocaust evidence is self-evident, all-embracing and overwhelming in all its every details.
The deniers are childish, negligent and incompetent researchers. There is something dreadfully wrong with them. They are mad. They should be ignored. Maybe then they will go away, back in their miserable lives and looney theories.
If that was so Bedlam I don’t think there would be any objections to it being thoroughly investigated and there would not be so much sensitivity to it being questioned. But as I wrote earlier, I couldn’t care less how many Jews died whether that is the mythical 6 million, first claimed in 1919, or whether it’s a more realistic figure like 1.5 million. Either way compared to the number of victims of Jewish Communism it was chicken feed.
Michael, if this was the early 1940s and you were a Jew in Auschwitz ‘awaiting moderation’ your time on this earth would be limited indeed. You would soon be sucking Zyklon B.
ZYKLON was the Degesch (an abbreviation for DEutsche GEsellschaft für SCHädlingsbekämpfung m.b.H. or German Company for Pest Control Inc.) tradename for their specific brand on hydrocyanic acid and it became the imfamous generic name for all cyanide gas because of its association with Nazi concentration camps during World War II.
You are another utter nutter who doesn’t deserve your say anywhere, let alone this corner of the Net.
Don’t waste uour time here. Go on, bugger off you silly twat!
I’m not interested in your wailing about “anti-semitismâ€, ever justifiable criticism of Jews is met in that way. What does concern me is that the people who forever harp on about their so called “holocaust†think they can re-write the pages of history. Without Jews there wouldn’t have been Communism, their wouldn’t have been at least 40 million dead Christians in the Jewish gulags or another 8 million with the Ukrainian Holodomor.
What really also disgusts me is that the people who claim to be eternal victims are the same ones that committed the genocidal atrocities in Gaza just last month.
Over 75% of the higher echelons of the Bolshevik Government in 1917 were Jewish. Communism was Jewish , not only in the Soviet Union but in every Eastern European country. The founders of Communist parties, including the USA, were all Jewish.
Even Vaksberg who himself was a Jew admitted that Jewish commanders ran 11 of the 12 major Gulag Archipelago concentration camps (including the director of them all, Matvei Berman, who also headed the slave labour project that built the Belomar-Baltic Canal).
Stalin made the so called “anti-semitism†illegal, he also married two Jews.
Kaganovich and many senior OGPU officers (later, NKVD) were Jewish. The predominance of Jews among Bolshevik leaders and the frightful crimes and cruelty inflicted by Stalin’s Checka on Ukraine, the Baltic states and Poland led the victims of Red Terror to blame the Jewish people for both communism and their suffering. As a direct result, during the subsequent Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe, the region’s innocent Jews became the target of ferocious revenge by Ukrainians, Balts and Poles.
While the world is now fully aware of the destruction of Europe’s Jews by the Nazis, the story of the numerically larger holocaust in Ukraine has been suppressed, or ignored. Ukraine’s genocide occurred eight to nine years before Hitler began the Jewish Holocaust and was committed, unlike Nazi crimes, before the world’s gaze. But Stalin’s murder of millions was simply denied or concealed by a left-wing conspiracy of silence that continues to this day. In the strange moral geometry of mass murder, only Nazis are guilty.
JEWISH COMMUNISTS
http://www.stopjewishinternetterrorists.com/2009/01/jewish-communists.html
SOLZHENITSYN: ‘THE GULAG WAS RUN BY JEWS’
http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=249
SPEAKING FROM FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE, Solzhenitsyn gave a candid account of Jews in charge of the Soviet prison camps in his book, Two Hundred Years Together. According to his observations, Jews made up a clear preponderance in the Gulag administration.
The Prop-Masters
Perpetrators of the holocaust against Christian Russia transform themselves into “survivors†of “the Holocaustâ€
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/communist.html
Terrorist Jews
http://www.fpp.co.uk/bookchapters/WSC/WSCwrote1920.html
Illustrated Sunday Herald, Feb. 8, 1920, page 5.
Zionism versus Bolshevism.
A Struggle for the Soul of the Jewish People
By the Rt. Hon. Winston S. Churchill.
There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution, by these international and for the most part atheistic Jews, it is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd) or of Krassin or Radek — all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combating Counter-Revolution has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses. The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people. Although in all these countries there are many non-Jews every whit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter in proportion to their numbers in the population is astonishing.
I’m not interested in your wailing about “anti-semitismâ€, ever justifiable criticism of Jews is met in that way. What does concern me is that the people who forever harp on about their so called “holocaust†think they can re-write the pages of history. Without Jews there wouldn’t have been Communism, their wouldn’t have been at least 40 million dead Christians in the Jewish gulags or another 8 million with the Ukrainian Holodomor.
What really also disgusts me is that the people who claim to be eternal victims are the same ones that committed the genocidal atrocities in Gaza just last month.
Over 75% of the higher echelons of the Bolshevik Government in 1917 were Jewish. Communism was Jewish , not only in the Soviet Union but in every Eastern European country. The founders of Communist parties, including the USA, were all Jewish.
Even Vaksberg who himself was a Jew admitted that Jewish commanders ran 11 of the 12 major Gulag Archipelago concentration camps (including the director of them all, Matvei Berman, who also headed the slave labour project that built the Belomar-Baltic Canal).
Stalin made the so called “anti-semitism†illegal, he also married two Jews.
Kaganovich and many senior OGPU officers (later, NKVD) were Jewish. The predominance of Jews among Bolshevik leaders and the frightful crimes and cruelty inflicted by Stalin’s Checka on Ukraine, the Baltic states and Poland led the victims of Red Terror to blame the Jewish people for both communism and their suffering. As a direct result, during the subsequent Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe, the region’s innocent Jews became the target of ferocious revenge by Ukrainians, Balts and Poles.
While the world is now fully aware of the destruction of Europe’s Jews by the Nazis, the story of the numerically larger holocaust in Ukraine has been suppressed, or ignored. Ukraine’s genocide occurred eight to nine years before Hitler began the Jewish Holocaust and was committed, unlike Nazi crimes, before the world’s gaze. But Stalin’s murder of millions was simply denied or concealed by a left-wing conspiracy of silence that continues to this day. In the strange moral geometry of mass murder, only Nazis are guilty.
JEWISH COMMUNISTS
SOLZHENITSYN: ‘THE GULAG WAS RUN BY JEWS’
SPEAKING FROM FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE, Solzhenitsyn gave a candid account of Jews in charge of the Soviet prison camps in his book, Two Hundred Years Together. According to his observations, Jews made up a clear preponderance in the Gulag administration.
The Prop-Masters
Perpetrators of the holocaust against Christian Russia transform themselves into “survivors†of “the Holocaustâ€
Terrorist Jews
Illustrated Sunday Herald, Feb. 8, 1920, page 5.
Zionism versus Bolshevism.
A Struggle for the Soul of the Jewish People
By the Rt. Hon. Winston S. Churchill.
There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution, by these international and for the most part atheistic Jews, it is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd) or of Krassin or Radek — all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combating Counter-Revolution has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses. The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people. Although in all these countries there are many non-Jews every whit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter in proportion to their numbers in the population is astonishing.
Thank you for the link Col,Eichmann where you can buy these cans of “ZYKLON POISON GAS”, nice little money spinner I’m sure. I think you can also buy bars of soap made out of human fat and lampshades made out of human skin, but they are also myths.
Michael the UK wanker:
It’s your “I couldn’t care less how many Jews died” that is an immediate, obvious problem for any debate. I can’t be bothered arguing here with a madman in England.
I couldn’t care less if you were runover by a double-decker bus tomorrow.
Don’t expect any further replies. I’ve got something better to do. I’m off to bed.
Why should I care about 1.5 million Jews when the Jews themselves are the biggest purveyors of genocide in the last 100 years? I must admit when I watched their latest genocidal actions in Gaza last month I wondered how these so called “victims” of the Nazis possible turn into Nazis themselves. It frankly doesn’t make sense.
Why should anyone be expected to pay homage to their “Holocaust ®” legend when only a few Jews can admit the part they played in the far larger event under Jewish Communism.
Its true that its not a good idea to debate with those who think William the Conqueror is a Martian.
On the other hand we don’t seem to feel the need to imprison those who think he is a Martian either. Or hound them from public life.
The mere mention of Zionism is a dead giveaway that Michael(UK) is totally Daft. The Zionism debates belong in the 1920s. The Zionism conspiracy theories are such laughable nonsense nowadays that we all writhe with embarrassment when they are mentioned.
Michael, go and turn off the TV and listen to the wind. Six millions voices are calling out to you. They are saying “We are sad for you Michael. We realise you are mad. We died agonising deaths. Yet you denigrate us. We were human beings like you. Why do you hate us so much?
When Jews like you Joe are honest about the part you played in massive genocide in the last 100 years I will take you seriously. Not sure what you mean by the “Zionism debates”, are you now denying that Zionism exists?
“Conspiracy theories” indeed. Just look up “Stalin’s Jews” on Google and look at the YNET article.
You see Joe your problem is that not all Jews are prepared to be dishonest, just ask Vaksberg and Solzhenitsyn.
Mossad will be looking up your address Michael. Your execrable emails are easily traceable. They pride themselves on tracing shit to its source.
You would be very wise to shut up and disappear. Eichmann got it in the neck. He thought he had disappeared. Bad mistake.
The Jewish way precisely, first of all try to ridicule and when that doesn’t work you threaten. Do you seriously think that I would worry about Jewish terrorists?
Thanks for the impassioned defense of wealth and power!
In an enlightened society it is the tssk of the prosecution to prove that alleged crimes have taken place.
It is not the task of the accused to prove that they did not take place.
Such proof requires empirical scientific or forensic evidence.
Alas for our “Holocauster” friends they have no such evidence.
They have only draconian censorship laws and articulate overpaid hacks like Mr. Wilson, who specialize in personal attacks.
Read the book Controversy of Zion By Douglas Reed. Search the internet and you can download it for free. A very interesting read. This may help you understand the world situation.
Good points, Michael.
Why so much emphasis on who thinks what about the holocaust?
Or on the holocaust itself for that matter?
It doesn’t seem to have taught anyone anything afterall.
People died, not just the Jews. It was an ugly time.
But they are all dead.
There are people in an ugly situation in Gaza.
The rights of the living are more
important than the memory of the dead.
Who can deny that the Jews control Hollywood, thus making the Jewish “line” into worldwide pro-Israel propaganda. David Irving, an honorable man, and a very brave one, incurred Jewish wrath by proving that Hitler was really a very nice fellow, a talented artist, a lover of music, and an accidential political leader who had the courage to expose international Zionism and their evil agenda for the civilized world. So, the war criminals of Israel dictated that he must be destroyed by any means necessary. Irving made the mistake of exposing the Dresden horror, thus earning him a top place on the Jew hit list. The so-called “holocaust” did not seriously appear in print until the 1970′s, and the outrageous lie about “six million” is now a part of every school curriculum throughout the world. In 1950, the Germans published a white paper in which it was determined that approximately one million Jews died in camps, mostly from starvation and disease; these findings were endorsed by the Swedish Red Cross at the time. Of course, the spineless Germans of today, lacking a national identify, sign on to the big lie, having been blackmailed by Israel for the past 50 years, and enacting a silly law that prevents their citizens from discussing the truth about WWII. Germany did not start WWII (that honor belongs to the British) but she paid a tremendous price for losing it. The first casualty of war is truth, and the victor always has the last word.
As a Jew and ardent defender of my people, I am embarrassed that people have believed the lies of the Holocaust for so long.
The truth is that the Holocaust was really a coverup of Soviet atrocities, and with a defeated Germany they had someone to blame. If the world really knew what communism and the Soviets had done, it would have ended the equality-international-humanist- communist-global movement a long time ago, while weakening Israel’s argument for existence.
When there is a grave discovered in Ukraine and Jews rush to claim it as part of the Holocaust, the reality is they are still trying to cover up and/or downplay the Soviet-inflicted Holodomor and mass murder of Christians in Eastern Europe while continuing to proliferate the Holocaust lie. That is really what the Holocaust is about: covering up the mass murders of Christians in Eastern Europe. The only people still trying to protect the Holocaust lie are those who profit from it financially, politically, and through all the current forms of exploitation you see today, as well as those who do not wish to accept responsibility for their own actions.
While the official record says that my family was killed at Auschwitz, they merely immigrated to America and changed their names. Dangerous as the the truth may be, I feel it is even more dangerous to continue this lie out of fear for what will happen in the future if it is not exposed now while Israel and Jews have the means to defend ourselves.
Please respect the Holocaust denial movement. They are actually helping Israel and Jews wash their hands of lies that are not sustainable.
One of Craig Langdon’s puppets at last Council election is a holocaust denier. Ask the question why Steve continually got bashed up at the Heidelberg bus stop. Shame Steve Shame. Does Craig share the same views?
Why do the defenders of the holocaust so strenuously object to any investigation of its history?
It should be open to investigation and a free public discourse – as is every other historical event.
They must have something to hide – the only possible conclusion.
Publish these idiot’s IP addresses please Andrew.
David Irving is a visitor from Uranus.
I wish to start a debate on this important issue.
*** Why do the defenders of the holocaust so strenuously object to any investigation of its history? ***
What a ludicrous rhetorical question. Investigation began with the Nuremberg trials…
I am a defender of the holocaust. The only investigations of it I object to are those conducted by crazy conspiratologists and nutcases.
Real historians try to approach a subject with an open mind. No sign of that among many recent commenters.
I’d comment at Michael, who ought to stick to the UK, but I’m too busy strengthening my stranglehold on Hollywood and the banking system to do something so paltry as comment on this!
Elan Steinberg, Executive Director of the World Jewish Congress, when discussing accusations of atrocities against Germans:
“The problem is, when you investigate something as serious as this, you can not rely on eyewitnesses who, even with the best of intentions, with the best of intentions, can give you misleading information”.
- “eyewitness” Yankel Wiernik claimed: 1200 people could fit into a 7 X 7 m gas chamber; bodies of women were used for kindling; bodies burned on their own once lit; he saw a naked Jewish girl jump a 3m (9 ft.) high barbed wire fence, wrench the rifle out of the hands of a pursuing guard and shoot two other guards; that 900,000 Jews were gassed, buried, exhumed, cremated and all traces disappeared; a Russian diesel tank engine was used for gassings.
- an “eyewitness” stated that the alleged poison gas had a delayed action, it allowed the victims to leave the gas chambers and walk to the mass graves by themselves – from: Reports of the Polish Underground, Archiv der Polnischen Vereinigten Arbeiterpartei, 202/III,v.7,pp.120f.,quoted in: P. Longerich, op. cit.(note 271), p. 438.
- former inmate, Moshe Peer, recalled a miraculous escape from death as an eleven-year-old in the camp. In a 1993 interview with a Canadian newspaper, the French-born Peer claimed that he
“was sent to the camp gas chamber at least six times…maybe children resist better, I don’t know.” Gazette, Montreal, Canada, 5 August, 1993
- “eyewitness” Arnold Friedman stated that he (and four others at the same time) ‘survived’ by breathing through a keyhole in the ‘gas chamber’ door at Flossenberg. (The official view now is that there were no homicidal gas chambers at this camp).
- in the book, ‘Lest We Forget’, it describes how Jews were steamed to death, and provides a diagram showing the location of the purported boiler room that produced the live steam. – ‘Lest We Forget’, World Jewish Congress (New York, 1943) pp 4, 6-7.
- the Polish govt. “conclusively proved” the Germans operated steam death chambers. They carried out “an on site, expert examination of the steam chambers,” submitting an “expert report” to the Nuremberg Tribunal – Nuremberg Trial Document 3311-PS, IMT “blue series”/1947-1949), vol.32, pp.152-158 (No exterminationist mentions “steam chambers” now).
“The death factory comprises an area approximately 7 km in diameter… The trains filled with Jews entered a tunnel into the underground rooms of the execution factory… The naked Jews were brought into gigantic halls. Several thousand people at one time could fit into these halls. The halls had no floor.
The floor was of metal and was submergible. The floors of these halls, with their thousands of Jews, sank into a basin of water which lay beneath – but only far enough so that the people on the metal plate were not entirely under water. When all the Jews on the metal plate were in the water up to over their hips, electrical current was sent through the water. After a few moments, all the Jews, thousands at once, were dead. Then they raised the metal plate out of the water. On it lay the corpses of the murder victims.
Another shock of electrical current was sent through, and the metal plate became a crematory oven, white hot, until all the bodies were burnt to ashes… Each individual train brought three to five thousand, sometimes more, Jews.” Stefan Szende, Der letze Jude aus Polen, Europa Verlag, Zurich-New York, 1945, p. 290 ff.
when the schools/media/government began the BS on how many Hebrews/semites were ‘gassed’/killed in camps, My mother told me the actual facts that she knew and was told by her brother who had the detail of bulldozing rotted bodies into pits in the ‘clean-up’ after the war. Six million is an absurd figure. Zionists needed the Hebrews to die as a sacrifice for their desire for power in having thier own Nation-State. These Zionists have not much to do with the semetic Hebrew people. The Zionists with aid and comfort from the Zionists in UNITED STATES CORP. Whipped up this bullshit for their own ends. Don’t believe the lies and understand that HOMELANDSECURITY-the latest corporation to govern America will do to us what we are made to agree with about the semites during WW2. The FEMA camps; the triple-decker trains with shackles; the gas chambers and crematories are already in place. A modern/efficient/guilotine has been created for the mass murders to come. Please remember to record and take pictures of it all so that we will not have to go through this bullshit again when the dust settles back down.PS the zionists push so hard to make people recite the lies that even if they weren’t lies, I have no sympathy anymore.
Quote: The holocaust evidence is self-evident, all-embracing and overwhelming in all its every details.
The deniers are childish, negligent and incompetent researchers. There is something dreadfully wrong with them. They are mad. They should be ignored. Maybe then they will go away, back in their miserable lives and looney theories.
Posted by Bedlam | February 15, 2009, 22:48
Gee, that sounds just like the attitude the catholic church had toward Galileo. They belittled him in exactly the same way people talk down to “deniers” today, for challenging their “unchallengable” truths. Why is the Holocaust so fiercly defended? Can the truth not defend itself? Why all the imprisonment and suppression of revisionist ideas in Europe?
All of this Galileo-like persecution of revisionists is enough to make me suspect the huge claims of 6 million dead by gas chambers alone.
It tooks hundreds of years after Galileo’s discoveries before the Catholic church finally admitted that not ALL things in the bible should be considered true…lol?
I for one never even knew denial existed. But now I believe that the gas chamber claims seriously need another look. Oh, but thats illegal…right. So was challenging the ultimate truth of the bible back in the day. The dark ages we live in, of this I am certain!
Andrew Landeryou you make a laughingstock of yourself. Lie after lie and not the slightest idea of what you talk about. Very poor journalism. Tracian27 (Argentina)