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DECAYING: Greensparty indulges fluoride conspiracy theorists with call for inquiry

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The Greensparty is attempting to undermine public confidence in the fluoridation of water despite strong endorsements for it by scientists, doctors, public health experts, dentists and the late Mrs Marsh. Political insiders say it’s a cynical ploy to keep sweet with north coast NSW nuts who oppose fluoride and vaccinations and vote Greensparty.

The Greensparty has joined a dwindling band of conspiracy theorists who are opposed to the fluoridation of water by demanding a public inquiry into it.

Their notorious NSW branch, dominated by its de facto leader Senator Lee Rhiannon, best-known for her Soviet-training and vehement opposition to live-music venues, has demanded an expensive taxpayer-funded inquiry into fluoride in water for the purpose of undermining public confidence in the strongly medically-endorsed programme and indulging some of the Greensparty’s loyal constituents in northern parts of the state.

The background to the conspiracy theory about the fluoridation of water was essentially that it was thought to be (usually by the extreme right and fundamentalist Christian groups) a means of controlling the population or for some other unspecified sinister purpose. It is a conspiracy theory equated with claims vaccinations cause autism (also a popular notion with some in north coast NSW), the moon landing was faked, that climate change is a hoax and that Elvis is still alive and hanging out in the Bermuda Triangle feasting on deep-fried peanut butter and jelly sandwiches (and KFC).

Without need for a public inquiry, putting fluoride in water has drastically reduced tooth decay. Experts consider it to be one of the great medical achievements of the last century, up there with recognising tobacco as a cause of cancer. Wikipedia notes the widespread credible support for fluoridation:

The American Dental Association calls water fluoridation “unquestionably one of the safest and most beneficial, cost-effective public health measures for preventing, controlling, and in some cases reversing, tooth decay.”

The World Health Organization says fluoridation is an effective way to prevent tooth decay in poor communities. “In some developed countries, the health and economic benefits of fluoridation may be small, but particularly important in deprived areas, where water fluoridation may be a key factor in reducing inequalities in dental health.”

However Greensparty MP Dr John Kaye, a pampered member of the NSW upper house and its Health spokesperson, is speaking out on behalf of his wacky constituents in northern NSW who are convinced fluoride is a plot against them.

“It would be wrong to ignore these people,” he told Guardian Australia, itself owned by a huge Greensparty donor Graeme Wood, the founder of website wotif who gave the party $1.7M in the largest recorded political donation in Australian history prior to the party’s MPs pushing hard for one his property development plays.

It would, of course, be wrong to indulge these people with yet another inquiry, paid for by the people of NSW from funds used to keep hospitals, schools and national parks running, that won’t convince them and will be used by some to further promote the hysteria against fluoride.

Kaye told the Guardian “…the community on the north coast is concerned about mass fluoridation and we owe it to them to review the evidence again to be sure if it’s the right way to go,” he said.

Most NSW municipalities have fluoride in the water although there is an active resistance to it from hippies in north coast NSW whose drug use possibly leads them to paranoid delusion.

Among many in their party, one Lismore Greensparty honcho and local councillor is leading the fight against fluoride.

Lismore councillor Vanessa Elkins launching a Change.org petition to fight the introduction of fluoride, which will be added to the region’s water supply within the next 18 months.

“We had a fabulous dental care program in schools but that was scrapped when the NSW Health Department started lobbying for fluoride,” she said.

“It shifted the cost of dental care onto water users, meaning that we spend $200,000 on getting a chemical from China for our water that we could use for dentists in a clinic that currently has a two-month waiting list.

“There’s been quite a lot of concerning research about the impact of fluoride on skeletons. The state government made a decision in 1957 to put fluoride into water and a lot of research has taken place since then. We should have a review of that research.”

The weirdness on the issue is not restricted to Nimbin Greensparty hippies either. The Victorian franchise of the Greensparty kowtows to fluoride loons as well, as they did back in 2007.

The Ballarat Greensparty’s website chronicles their policy in favour of demanding a community-wide referendum on fluoride wherever it is used:

Greens MLC Colleen Hartland said “Our policy supports the right of communities to determine the introduction of fluoride into local water supplies. I put the emphasis on ‘determine’ rather than on being consulted with or being given information. They should have the right to determine whether fluoride goes into their supply, and that is a very important point,”

It’s not a matter of whether a bunch of politicians think fluoride is a good thing or not. It’s a matter of what the community wants,” said Colleen Hartland.

Hartland equates fluoride to toxins and pollution:

“The Greens want disclosure on potentially toxic issues. We want the EPA to disclose toxic sites and we want full labelling of genetically engineered products. There’s no difference in the fluoride issue.”

She continued that she wouldn’t even accept a majority decision in the event of a local plebiscite:

“And finally, I’d need some convincing that it’s OK to fluoridate water after a plebiscite if 49% of the population believes (rightly or wrongly) that fluoride is detrimental to their health.”

UPDATE: The NSW Minister for Health has condemned the Greensparty’s most recent scare campaign against the scientific consensus on fluoride and has rejected calls for yet another inquiry.

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  1. Note the following exchange in Hansard:

    The Hon. Dr PETER PHELPS: …Unfortunately, neo-primitivism is gaining more and more influence. There is another group called the National Toxics Network, which is also part of the grand neo-primitivism that is sweeping areas.

    Dr John Kaye: That’s not fair. It is neither fair nor true.

    The Hon. Dr PETER PHELPS: The National Toxics Network recommends that people not have flame-retardant clothing. For any of us who know about this, flame-retardant clothing has done much to save children’s lives in Australia. Flame-retardant clothing is necessary. They also have links to anti-fluoridation.

    Dr John Kaye: That’s not true.

    The Hon. Dr PETER PHELPS: It does indeed. The network has links to anti-fluoridation statements. That is a sad example of how it is not merely the antivaccers but neo-primitivism is creeping through our society.

    Dr John Kaye: This is wrong.

    The Hon. Dr PETER PHELPS: We should not accommodate ourselves to nature. From the primordial slime onwards we have spent our entire time seeking to overcome nature. We do not accommodate; we overcome.

    Posted by Peter Phelps MLC | June 15, 2013, 9:04
  2. Nice article Andrew.

    But the spelling of “fluoride” is not “flouride”. You might care to fix it.

    Having been heavily involved in the design and construction of Melbourne’s fluoridation system I have seen all these tired old arguments before. Strangely, you don’t see arguments against chlorination! It is a weird world, withe weird people, the Green’s being among the weirdest.

    Posted by Peter S | June 15, 2013, 9:07
  3. Try ‘fluoride’. Even my crappy tablet can spell that.

    Posted by yeah-no | June 15, 2013, 13:19
  4. A communist like Senator Rhiannon should be a strong supporter fluoridation. It is, after all, part of the international communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.

    Posted by General Ripper | June 15, 2013, 15:14
  5. Only 5% of the world fluoridates drinking water. They all understand the following report.

    Mr. Declan Waugh  studied  two sets of people, ethnically identical, who eat the same foods, with the same long term background in all respects. They  are separated now by a political border. The only difference impacting every citizen of both countries is fluoride in the drinking water. Southern Ireland is 100% fluoridated by government dictate and Northern Ireland is non fluoridated.
    It is an absolute eye opener to read this report and learn the great increases in incidence of disease and death in the fluoridated Southern Ireland: for instance, 450% more early onset dementia, 300% sudden infant deaths, 100% more osteoporosis, and significant increases in cancer, diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis and Downs syndrome and much more.

    You can read the study here:
    http://www.enviro.ie/Feb2013.p… — look at pages 6,10 and 12. These 3 graphs will give you a good overview of the study.

    Posted by jwillie6 | June 15, 2013, 15:53
  6. The Watermelons are a greater danger than having sharia law.

    Posted by no hoper | June 15, 2013, 16:06
  7. Dentists laughing all the way to the bank – more dentists than ever before and one filling will cost you anywhere between $150 and $400 depending on size FOR ONE FILLING !! you can only imagine the rest of the charges that more and more of the population are unable to afford – and Private Health Insurance becoming unaffordable for more and more of the population – and those who think hazardous waste pollutants & co-contaminants S6, S7 poison Corrosive 8 hazardous waste known as ‘fluoridation chemicals’ are good for your teeth and brain and body – you need to re-examine your thinking power. Potent neurotoxins, toxins & carcinogens that these are should have been banned decades ago. Those on Centrelink at least can get some help at Queensland (Australian) Government dentists but the waiting list is very long. Australia is in dental crisis after decades of water fluoridation/pollution first commencing in Beaconsfield Tasmania in 1953 & USA in dental crisis after first commencing in Grand Rapids, Michigan in 1945 – water fluoridation/pollution is a fraud – disposal of dangerously corrosive hazardous waste pollutants into our drinking water supplies and hence contaminating our food chain has to be stopped for all time, the only answer ever was to provide access to affordable dental health care services for all the population, not the disposal of hazardous waste pollutants fluorosilicic acid/silicofluorides and co-contaminants of lead, mercury, arsenic, cadmium etc..

    Chronically poisoning the population, pets and environment on the say so of Pro-fluoridation lobby groups with such political power, clout and control is obscene & should be criminal.

    The only answer EVER was to provide access to affordable dental health care services for all the population, not the disposal of hazardous waste pollutants and co-contaminants of lead, mercury, arsenic, cadmium, etc., from phosphate fertiliser industries (and aluminium smelting industries) (known as water fluoridation, plus aluminium sulphate) into our drinking water supplies and hence also contaminating our food chain & using the populations’ kidneys as hazardous waste disposal/filtration units.

    Posted by Fluorosilicic Acid Hazardous Waste aka Fluoride | June 15, 2013, 19:20
  8. jwilie6

    No point posting links that don’t work.

    But without even looking I know your comments are crap. This topic has been researched to death. Melbourne & Sydney have been fluoridating since the early 1970’s. i challenge you to produce any evidence of deleterious effects. But evidence for the positive is overwhelming.

    Posted by Peter S | June 15, 2013, 20:47
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    Posted by 'Waste of money': calls for fluoridated water inquiry rejected - Sydney Morning Herald | Desana Life Test Site | June 15, 2013, 21:59
  10. You get nearer the truth regarding fluoridation when you look at the work of former proponents who changed their minds after doing their own research. For example, the late Dr John Colquhoun, former chief dental officer in Auckland whose job it was to promote fluoridation throughout New Zealand, wrote the very revealing article, “Why I changed my mind about water fluoridation.”
    In the interview at the following link, Dr Colquhoun explained some of the reasons this practice was continued despite clear evidence it is harmful and ineffective, and that ‘the books had been cooked’ regarding evidence supposedly supporting fluoridation: http://youtu.be/e8th-Bbb0LQ
    Another former proponent who also had the courage to speak out, recently retired Professor of Preventive Dentistry at Toronto University, Dr Hardy Limeback, actually issued a public apology to former students for having promoted fluoridation, and spent the rest of his career exposing this fraud.

    Posted by Sonja | June 15, 2013, 22:43
  11. Purely to show off my knowledge of historical political trivia: I recall back in the 1960’s the Independent Member for Coburg was the only parliamentarian to speak and vote against the fluoridation of Melbourne’s water supply arguing passionately that Melbourne’s water was the purest in the world and it would be a travesty to introduce a chemical of dubious potential benefit to the supply system. He still held the seat despite his antediluvian views.

    Posted by Giuseppe De Simone | June 16, 2013, 1:59
  12. In the U.S., CDC stats for the 50 states’ rates of water fluoridation compared to rates of mental retardation, ADHD, and tooth loss.

    1. Seniors in the most fluoridated states averaged 14% more tooth loss than those in the least fluoridated states.
    http://photos.oregonlive.com/photogallery/2013/03/

    2. ADHD rates averaged 23% higher in the most fluoridated states.
    http://photos.oregonlive.com/photogallery/2012/12/

    3. Mental retardation rates averaged 43% higher in the most fluoridated states.
    http://photos.oregonlive.com/photogallery/2012/10/

    Posted by jwillie6 | June 16, 2013, 2:38
  13. Jwillie6

    Still posting links that don’t work! Don’t waste our time!
    The anti-fluorodationists always cherry-pick from questionable data to support their arguments, just like the anti-vacinationists.

    The biggest argument against fluoridation of water supplies is actually the trend for people to pay good money for water delivered in plastic bottles. If that becomes the major source of drinking water then fluoridation will become decreasingly ineffective.

    Posted by Peter S | June 16, 2013, 9:29
  14. I was a Green

    Posted by Dean Mighell | June 16, 2013, 10:01
  15. Since when it is legal for Councils to practise medicine without a license? If a doctor prescribes a medication he must first examine the patient, check for contraindications, and even then the patient has the right of consent. The doctor cannot force the patient to ingest the medicine. Yet Councils are able to force feed consumers a medicine that has never been proven to be safe for ingestion. Fluoride is a drug that has never been tested by the FDA or the TGA. These bodies are responsible for protecting the public against the harmful well documented side effects of taking medicine. Yet they have never tested the artificial fluoriine compounds added to drinking water. How is it then possible for so called health officials to claim fluoride is “safe and effective”. To discover what is being added to our water supply go to these link:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEZ15m-D_n8

    To discover the dangers of overdosing artificial fluoride go to:

    http://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/lookup.cfm?setid=6e7a7e17-7538-4763-810c-7e56bd630494

    If the public want fluoride it is available in toothpastes and other oral hygeine dental products. The only purported benefit of fluoride is when used topically, not ingested.

    Posted by john | June 16, 2013, 10:21
  16. The problem with fluoridation in Australia is that the concentration (1.0 ppm) is too high.

    This figure was chosen to match values thought to be optimal in the USA – a cooler country, where less water is drunk. Moreover, the chosen figure was optimal for an era where toothpastes were not fluoridated at all.

    The Singapore experience is worth mentioning. For a number of years, Singapore fluoridated water at 0.8 ppm, but reduced this to 0.7 ppm about 6 years ago. The reason for this is that there were signs of mild fluorosis in the population, leading the committee responsible to believe that the original concentration was too high.

    In Sydney, and perhaps other Australian cities, mild fluorosis is not uncommon. The NSW government is well aware of this, but seems unable to adjust policy to match the reality of the science.

    In the meantime, parents can protect their children under age 5 by using minute amounts of low fluoride toothpaste, and making sure that it is rinsed out.

    Posted by Ion selective electrode | June 16, 2013, 15:00
  17. Senator Lee Rhiannon does not have a vehement opposition to live-music venues only those that open AFTER she has moved into her new offices and operate without any sound proofing. I’d be pissed also if it happened to me. IT’s the fault of the landlord, not the senator.

    Posted by janama | June 16, 2013, 15:20
  18. “EPA has more than enough evidence to shut down fluoridation right now.” (Dr. Robert Carton)

     “Fluoridation,” says former EPA senior scientist Robert J. Carton, PhD, “presents unacceptable risks to public health, and the government cannot prove its claims of safety. When this man talks of fluoridation dangers, it is time to listen. I am pleased to present the following exclusive interview, in edited form, with this outspoken EPA dissenter.

    Dr. Carton has considerable experience as a risk assessment manager for the US Environmental Protection Agency, investigating asbestos, arsenic, hexachlorobenzene, hexachlorobutadiene, and, of course, cancer incidence. Then, for ten years, Dr. Carton was with the U.S. Army Medical Research and Materiel Command, Fort Detrick, Maryland.

    He was Chief of Environmental Compliance, responsible for environmental compliance of the Army’s medical research with the National Environmental Policy Act. He also managed the preparation of environmental assessments of biological and chemical defense laboratories throughout the U.S.. Diametrically opposite of the raving, fictional general in Dr. Strangelove, Bob Carton is the real deal: he has a B.A. in Chemistry, an M.S. in Environmental Science, and a Ph.D. in Environmental Science from Rutgers University.  http://www.doctoryourself.com/carton.html

    Fluoridegate   – The Film – USA EPA shredded evidence of harm and fired Senior Scientists/Toxicologist attempting to silence him
    http://youtu.be/zpw5fGt4UvI        

    Posted by Fluorosilicic Acid Hazardous Waste aka Fluoride | June 16, 2013, 15:43
  19. For goodness sake. We all know that fluoride lowers the IQ of cows.

    This is just another example of cashed-up hipsters and conspiracy theorists trying to ram their whacky views onto other people no matter what the health impact.

    Have a look at the University of York report commissioned by the UK Chief Heath Officer that found:
    – There appears to be some evidence that water fluoridation reduces the inequalities in dental health across social classes in 5 and 12 year-olds
    – A meta-regression of bone fracture studies also found no association with water fluoridation
    – Overall, no clear association between water fluoridation and incidence or mortality of bone cancers, thyroid cancer or all cancers was found

    No evidence of cancer risk, no evidence of bone damage and poor kids have better dental health. Get real!!!!!

    Posted by Niddre Booth Capitain | June 16, 2013, 18:46
  20. Recent studies show that Irrational Thought Dissorder[ITD] Is 83% more likely when Flouride/Daylight saving/Rare beef ingestion occurs. Especially in Tasmania.This insidious condition has manifested in Canberra known as “Greens” and is a low risk except in those who eschew this intake.Treatment is difficult due to ITD,but, cognitive values win out. Alternatively a big KIKUPTHEARSE pill at the ballot box is effective.

    Posted by Old Cbber | June 16, 2013, 20:26
  21. More Very Naughty Dentists :-

    March, 06, 2013
    North Carolina takes action against Dental One Partners: operating dental clinics illegally–unnecessary treatment– false diagnosis periodontal disease
    http://blog.dentistthemenace.com/2013/03/north-carolina-takes-action-against.html

    ~~~~
    Dentists Huge Donations to Secure their own Agendas !!

    Wall Street Journal says Dentists Are Big Political Players and do all they can to preserve their monopoly.” Huge donations to secure their political agendas.
    They boasted the largest single health-care PAC in 2008, gave nearly $13 million to state and local politicians in 2010, raising the question: What do dentists want? Alicia Mundy has details on The News Hub. Photo: Reuters. http://live.wsj.com/video/why-dentists-are-big-political-players/4ADDACA4-8F50-43D4-B694-D541A38FBF3A.html#!4ADDACA4-8F50-43D4-B694-D541A38FBF3A

    ~~~
    Dental Crisis in America – After up to 67 years of water fluoridation foisted upon Americans by the American Dental Association and its constituents groups, a Dental Crisis exists in America. Senator Sanders introduced legislation to remedy this situation which is endorsed by 37 groups but not the ADA because it includes funding for Dental Therapists which would infringe upon dentists lucrative monopoly. The ADA prefers fluoridation because it doesn’t stop tooth decay and doesn’t hurt their bottom line. In fact, dentists are making lots of money covering up fluoride-stained teeth with expensive veneers because American children are now over-fluoridated with up to 60% affected with dental fluorosis – white spotted, yellow, brown and/or pitted teeth. Veneers cost about $1,000.00 a tooth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oaINr51MrM

    ~~~
    For some Americans, dental care means a sturdy chair, a fluoride swish, and a free toothbrush. But for one in three Americans, it’s a nightmare, including astronomical bills, crippling credit card debt, panicked visits to the emergency room, and life-threatening disease. 
These hardships are chronicled in a new Frontline documentary, Dollars and Dentists, which airs tonight on PBS stations. Frontline correspondent Miles O’Brien takes us behind the scenes of the documentary that explores America’s broken dental system. Frontline is produced by our partner WGBH. You can find when “Dollars and Dentists” is airing on your local PBS station here.
    http://www.thetakeaway.org/2012/jun/26/one-third-americans-cant-afford-dental-care-says-frontline-documentary-dentists-and-dollars/?utm_source=sharedUrl&utm_media=metatag&utm_campaign=sharedUrl

    ~~
    It is a scientific disgrace that a well organized lobby of the American Dental Association ever managed to stampede American legislators into ignoring the highly technical but very cogent objection to fluoridation.
    Full Document: http://www.nofluoride.com/eight.cfm

    Posted by Fluorosilicic Acid Hazardous Waste aka Fluoride | June 16, 2013, 20:48
  22. The crazies are emerging. This topic always flushes them out. And citing Robert Carton – help!

    Posted by Peter S | June 16, 2013, 21:12
  23. Christopher please my tongue kissing my back passage I’m a closet chutney ferret.

    Posted by Howard Sattler | June 16, 2013, 22:12
  24. speaking of nut jobs – is anyone watching Ch 31 – if so feel free to contact station management about their decision to give the racist nut jobs of the CEC their own show – in case you missed it the bail out of cyprus is a deliberate decision by the City of London -( i.e the 12 jewish bankers who control the global banking system – they leave the global drug dealing to Prince Phillip) to commit genocide by depopulation of that island

    Posted by get a grip | June 16, 2013, 23:53
  25. Jason M. Armfield (U of Adelaide) has written about the anti-fluoridationists’ tactics:

    “When public action undermines public health: a critical examination of antifluoridationist literature.” Australia and New Zealand Health Policy [online], 2007 Dec 9; 4:25.

    http://www.anzhealthpolicy.com/content/4/1/25

    Posted by LindaRosaRN | June 17, 2013, 2:58
  26. Mass medication of citizens via publi water is unethical

    Posted by Toni | June 17, 2013, 4:20
  27. jwillie6:

    Your ad nauseum posting of the science-fictitious writings of Declan Waugh are amazing.

    You continue to spread this anti-fluoridation junk writing as some piece of scientific absolute.

    Try looking at the official Irish Expert Body on Fluorides and Health’s response to mr. waugh’s piece of propaganda:

    “Appraisal of “HUMAN TOXICITY, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT AND LEGAL
    IMPLICATIONS OF WATER FLUORIDATION” (author Mr Declan Waugh)”

    http://www.fluoridesandhealth.ie/documents/Appraisal_of_Waugh_report_May_2012.pdf

    Posted by get-er-done | June 17, 2013, 5:02
  28. Interesting that with all the puffling from “Fluorosilic Acid Hazard Waste” and others who seek to further the antifluoridationist cause through the use of blatant fear mongering, they always seem to fail to remember that in the 68 year history of water fluoridation in the United States….none of the horror stories they so desperately seek to attach to fluoridation, have EVER occurred. Sixty eight years and NO outbreaks of the myriad of disorders they scream will happen….NO massive epidemics of the myriad of disorders that they so gravely “warn” about. NOTHING.

    Water fluoridation is the simple addition to water of a few more parts per million of the fluoride ion that is identical to that which already exists in water “naturally”. Nothing else. Why this is such a cause for the “FAHW aka Fluoride” people from New York, will always be a total mystery. Just ignorance of the simple facts and an issue over which to sell books and garner donations, I suppose.

    Steven D. Slott, DDS
    North Carolina, USA

    Posted by Steven D Slott | June 17, 2013, 6:15
  29. Fluorosilicic Acid Hazardous Waste aka Fluoride:

    Hogwash. This is the same junk you post in the U.S., only under the name of NYSCOF.

    Your comments are baseless in sound science, and nothing more than fear tactics using your own opinions of fluoridation.

    Fluoridation of water has never been found to cause adverse health effects in anyone.

    It is safe, it works, and it’s cheap. That’s a bitter pill to swallow for you and the others, but those are the scientific facts, jack.

    Posted by Johnny Johnson, DMD, MS, Florida, USA | June 17, 2013, 8:41
  30. Fluoride is a welcome addition to the water at the bath house.

    Posted by Pissy Chryne | June 17, 2013, 8:56
  31. But the Greensparty should favour it because, as P.J. O’Rourke points out, it turns kids into communists…

    http://www.downandnerdy.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/kids-+-flouride-communist.jpg

    Posted by Bolshie bureaucrat | June 17, 2013, 12:57
  32. The extreme right used to campaign against fluoride, now the Greens Party has joined them!

    Posted by Angela | June 17, 2013, 13:08
  33. If Lee Brown accurately followed her parents and Uncle Joe it would not be fluoride in the water they would be on about.

    Posted by the Insider | June 17, 2013, 13:47
  34. Has anyone found my teeth?

    Posted by H the B | June 17, 2013, 16:14
  35. Come to Central Qld and see the glorious effects of no fluoride.Tooth decay can kill – not fluoride. How many of you are actually doctors or dentists? I mean real ones – not complementary ‘healers’. Maybe I should just go and eat some lettuce and massage my crystal balls. Gosh, I hope this doesn’t upset my aura. Please don’t cast a spell on me, or torture me by making me drink some fluoridated water!!!!

    Posted by fluodobs | June 17, 2013, 22:14
  36. My old man always said the polical spectrum wasn’t flat but rather it is circular – the extreme left and extreme right sit side by side on the opposite side of the circle from those committed to scientific, rational democratic thought and debate (social democrats, liberals and sensible conservatives). It’s no wonder the Greens espouse the same views as the League of Rights and other loonies of the far right.

    Posted by Rational Democrat | June 18, 2013, 2:39
  37. Damn you Joe Aston! Pistol Pete Costello pays me everytime you mention his name in a nice way. 6 days have gone by and no mentions despite the gossip he gives to me to give to you. What’s up bro?

    Posted by anon | June 18, 2013, 14:55
  38. WHOOPS… THAT WAS ME AT 14.55.

    Posted by Tim Allerton City PR | June 18, 2013, 14:56
  39. Tim you are a noggin. But keep leaking as sooner or later the AFR will boot Aston. What a moron who is trashing the Fin.

    Posted by Elio | June 18, 2013, 14:58
  40. I’m just deflecting attention from my nocturnal loving with Doris the goat.

    Posted by Cory Barnyardi | June 18, 2013, 17:35
  41. Never heard about “Greensparty”. Must be a new organisation.

    Posted by Jag | June 18, 2013, 22:21
  42. I have not read an insightful or amusing comment on this wesbite for months. Go back to sucking our blood you filthy ALP scum

    Posted by fucking retards | June 19, 2013, 14:47
  43. The Greens are just pandering to the beliefs of their support base. Truth should not get in the way of Greens receiving public funding.

    We need to come up with an additive that can protect us from the Greens. … Oh we have one. Assange Party.

    Posted by The Green mean machine | June 23, 2013, 3:12
  44. Lots of children will miss out on fluoride in water as so much water today is filtered.

    Posted by Dan Lewis | June 23, 2013, 19:47
  45. Why would you call someone crazy who tells the truth about fluoride in our drinking water. sodium. Fluoride is a by product from the alumina industry that is the main ingredient in rat poison. It was used in nazi and Stalinist concentration camps to pacify prisoners so that uprising were limited in the camps. There is no proof that it helps fight tooth decay and it even has a poison warning on toothpaste in the USA. So keep on using you dumb sheepie and keep on numbing your brain even further. before calling someone crazy, first research their claims about flouride in water and then have an opinion.

    Posted by Choco | June 30, 2013, 16:41
  46. It seems, that science is the new religion….
    My advice is, keep an open mind and question why it is, that humans need to tamper with H2O to the extent of adding such toxic chemicals, when the rest of the natural world has been thriving on it since we were single celled life forms.
    Read between the lines and consider the motives of those whose agenda it is to inflict flouride on us.
    Lastly, dont believe everything the media, doctors, scientists say.
    After all, they’re Just People…

    Posted by Hugh | July 2, 2013, 16:38

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