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BULLY: Judith Troeth attacks Nick Minchin on climate "dissent"
Supposed Liberal ‘moderate’ Senator Judith Troeth has condemned her Liberal Senate Leader Nick Minchin for daring to disagree with her position on climate change and the proposed emissions trading system.
The Senator – sometimes described as a human rights crusader and free-speech advocate – was having none of that in response to an ABC Four Corners programme that explored the differing opinions within the federal Coalition on carbon emissions, their effect and the appropriate policy responses.
THE DEBATE WE HAVE TO HAVE
It’s a complex debate. So complex that even those who say the future of life itself depends on drastically reducing carbon emissions won’t embrace zero-carbon power generation options like nuclear energy. So complex that many who question whether the consensus in the scientific world is right are told they are “deniers” or various other epithets calculated to attack them on a moral basis. So complex that even when it is acknowledged that climate change is a global issue that some barrackers say that countries like ours should act unilaterally, for symbolic reasons, for moral leadership reasons, even if it has no real effect in tackling what is said to be the problem. Such an approach would cost tens of thousands of Australian jobs and do nothing whatever to address carbon emissions.
It’s a debate we have to have though. And the labelling of those with opposing views as “deniers” or “dissenters” reveals the intolerance of those pushing an extremist agenda.
Being a ‘moderate’ surely includes a tolerance of the views of others and a commitment to work with them to achieve the right outcomes.
It seems Judith Troeth’s ‘moderation’ is actually rather extreme. Rather emotional. Judgmental. Ideological. Angry.
IF YOU REALLY CARE ABOUT THE PLANET…
The challenge for those with a genuine concern for the future of the planet is to win over those who will always be sceptical about new, big taxes, over-reaching regulation and attacks on enterprise. That doesn’t mean you can’t pitch to them and win them over though.
■ You’ll win them over by talking about lower taxes on those developing technologies making our resource use more efficient.
■ You’ll win them over by saying we need to live in a world not dependent on Saudi or Venezuelan or even Russian oil.
■ You’ll win them over by talking about nuclear energy, which could power Australia, much more expensively than coal, but with zero carbon emissions.
■ You’ll win them over by saying we will do nothing to merely export Australian jobs to jurisdictions that will not commit themselves to exactly the same level of carbon emissions reductions. A global ‘problem’ demands a global solution, anything else makes zero sense.
■ You’ll win them over by encouraging a genuine debate about contestable issues about climate change and the environment more generally. If there is such certainty about future events in terms of climate change then a debate and discussion can surely only help bring more people along, help more people understand and agree on a policy response. Bullying won’t work. It rarely does.
■ You’ll win them over by talking about pollution more generally, the need for greater efficiency, the infinite ability of humanity to use technology to solve all our problems and lift our living standards and even reminding people of faith that God gave us this planet and we must do everything we can to preserve and protect His place of which we are temporary custodians. The environmental obscenities committed by, say, the faithless Soviet Union are the kind of materialist short-term stupidity that every Australian farmer, for example, comprehends is not good. Not good for them as businesspeople nor as the forebears for future owners of their family property. You’ll win them over by saying we need to listen to farmers about the environment, not inner-city hypocrites in Saabs or Hollywood stars in private jets. The absence of authenticity, the lack of genuineness in this debate has been striking.
It troubles us greatly that the environment and conservation movements have been hijacked by the extreme left. Protecting the planet is not and ought not ever be the possession of the left. The planet belongs to all of us.
So to does a debate about its future.
Dissent and debate about how we protect the environment should be encouraged. Those like Senator Judith Troeth – who seek to bully not persuade – do little to advance her cause and do much to confirm the suspicions of those who say that the environment is being used as an excuse for a war on our way of life and an economic system that has delivered soaring prosperity throughout the world.
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Ah democracy…you just gotta love it.
I see. Minchin can call Tunbull silly, but Troeth can’t call Minchin silly. If she does,Vex News has a little idealogical rant about ‘lefties’. No rant against Minchin? To accuse Troeth of being a bully to an out and out thug like Minchin is too cute by far.
The argument that nuclear energy is expensive, is a matter for the private sector to worry about – not government.
It’s often been used by the Victorian government as a reason not to go nuclear, but the Victorian government does not invest in that technology.
The only thing we have to worry about is the disposal of nuclear materials.
No other considerations are relevant including safety, which is well demonstrated by nuclear facilities world-wide.
Minchin vs. Troeth.
Political nous vs. Kum Bay Ya.
Credibility vs. Credulity.
No contest.
Actually plenty of lefties are in favour of nuclear energy, providing it can come through with the goods at the right price, which sometimes it can, often it can’t.
SG: again, can’t we let the private sector worry about that? They’ll have far better information on costs than government will.
Troeth would advocate for those who
with to enter our country illegally. Encourage their free release into our society. Cross the floor of parliament in defiance of Howard Government policy all whilst claiming she has an obligation, according to her conscience, to speak up for those who cannot or are unable to speak up for themselves.
Her website states “As a Senator for Victoria, I am committed to supporting and promoting the interests of all Victorians.”
Yet, she criticises Senator Minchin for expressing his opinion and supporting those who do not agree with the Rudd (and Troeth) alarmist agenda on global warming, many of whom Senator Minchin represents from South Australia.
Differing opinions and healthy informed debate from our Parliamentary leaders should be welcomed and encouraged. It is the likes of Rudd and Troeth that do not belong as part of a democracy.
Then again, democracy is not their Nirvana
It troubles me not one bit that CC denialists have been hijacked by the extreme right.
I fully support the right of Minchin and his useful idiots at Volksnews to spout as much ignorant drivel as they like.
But I really wonder about the thought processes found here.
You talk about winning people over!
But people are already won over – a clear majority of Australians support, and voted in, a party to enable action on climate change.
This is blocked in the Senate by the Liberal Party – despite taking a similar plan to the electorate themselves and an overwhelming mandate for change from the electorate.
The reasons given for opposing the Rudd Governments reforms can not be debated, firstly because Minchin and company are outright intransigent on the issue, and secondly have nothing of any scientific, technical or political merit to say.
Judith Troeth has the face of a schizophrenic pig.
Minchin is a complete fool.
But what I really want to know is how Troeth managed to survive in the Senate for 15 years but I was bumped after a year and a half.
Karen
Because you are a reprehensible arseclown of the highest order.
Karen, maybe describing Nick Minchin as a ‘complete fool’ explains in part your short duration as a noble Senator!
As for Troeth – she never ceases to amaze me! It is a sheer miracle that she has held her position for all these years, and I for one will be very, very glad to see her depart at the next election. Make way for a Liberal Senator who at least hols SOME Liberal principles.
Cheers.
Observer
The Liberals are all over the place like a mad dog’d dinner,
they still think they are entitled
to the reins of Government permanently, that’s why the only have one branch australia wide,
“The Born To Rule Branch”
How ironic that Julian McGauran is an upgrade on Troeth!
I took a massive dump this morning and I looked in the bowl and saw this stinking slimy turd – reminded me that that turd was better looking and smelt nicer than Judith Troeth.
Stop picking on Judith Troll…I mean Troeth.
When will far right MP for Mitchell Alex Hawke support his fellow right wingers and say that the emperor that is global warming has no clothes.
Global warming is a left wing conspiracy, Alex Hawke must pull his head out of Malcolm’s arse and testify to this.
Judith is a wonderful human being, and Minchin is a turd of the highest order. I have met them both.
AtleastMinchin,Joyce,Bernardi,Nash
and Co have the brains to see the untold damage this proposed ETS
will do to the Australian way of life as we know it if this legeslation is allowed to pass into law,the same can not be said for the likes of Troeth,
Turn(coat)bull,and the rest of the
week kneed Libs who dont havethe GUTS tostand up to Krudd and Wong.
We know CC is untrue, but we will peddle it for as much as it’s worth
Jake Della-vedova tried to blackmail only $15,000 from a certain married male MP for their gay sex tape.
He could only demand $15,000 as the MP is one ugly mother.
He could demand much more from me…
Actually being called an arseclown is not so bad by my standards
Although I stand by my assertion that Minchin is a complete fool
Why else would he still be in the Senate when after 9 years as a Cabinet Minister he could have jetted off with the gold card and his supper, perhaps to resuscitate the wreck of a Liberal Party that exists in his beloved SA
I am the true arseclown Karen. You are just a has been who couldn’t get $10 for a blowjob in a town full of drunk men. I on the other hand…
Climate change is loved by the left so that they”can deindustrialize the world’.This is what Minchin said on 4 corners.The blokes bonkers.
to karen Synon.you wonder why judith troeth survived 15 years in her position.well,maybe like the G and S Pirates of Penzance opera ’she polished up the handle of the door so carefully that now she is the ruler (if not of the Queens Navy)then of political speak—and she waits to show her hand on issues she was silent on for years until the very eve of her retirement–just like so many who keep their jobs and their silence(Mike Kelly for one)until the day of comfortable retirement arrives.
If our globe-trotting PM does finally front up at Copenhagen,I wonder if he might take the full troupe of ’song and dance men’,like Peter Garrett and Hugh Jackman–at least the assembled gathering can be entertained and be spared the endless platitudinous rhetoric of this spin merchant.
I wonder if Judith still stopped waxing in solidarity with the oppressed women of Islam. I remember she showed me her hairy burger and it reminded me of my first experience – before the manzilian caught on in the bath house community.
I hope I see Alan in the bath house tomorrow, his foreplay and magic touch really relaxes my sphincter.
would the real Pissy Chryne please bend over.
Pissy not only with Alan be joining us but I hear that Alex Hork and Ben Franklin joining us for a “mediation session”.
The climate change campaign is doing wonders for softening the public for a nuclear generator to be built along side the desal plant in Wonthaggi. The real protectors of our planet will be nuclear energy. Death to coal fired energy.
I dissented in 2003 in opposing the murderous invasion of Iraq and the failed Member for Caulfield, Helen Shardey, and this old womyn Troeth moved a motion at Policy Assembly to expel me from the Liberals.
That failed but a new motion moved by the ugly Mike Kabos (then Chairman of Melbourne Ports FEC) and hugely fat Cath Kraina (Sec MPFEC) suspended me for 12 months in Jun 2003. I never rejoined the Liberals in Jun 2004.
You might remember Kabos was first to be ballot out this year in a 12 candidate preselection battle in the eastern “burbs” No wonder