These reforms are a very good idea.

Who will win who will lose? Answer that question and you will find out where people stand.

Not an easy question, but could you please return my vibrating thrusting blug plug?

the first union to look within for change , many to follow would be my guess

I suspect that a certain national secretary spent way too much on a big Docklands building ($30 mil and not very handy to the members either) and is feeling a need to tap into other sources of revenue.

The trouble is, if his big gamble doesn’t work, he may lose it all.

Changing the structure wont get new members. It is clear Charlie Donnelly is just out for power and cash.

The private school boy’s club wants to control it all man - they’re scared the bogans up north will get bigger, stronger, and *gulp* richer!

You’d think unions would be busy recruiting new members not trying to “restructure” and fight among themselves. If egos could be put aside until at least we have a decent set of IR laws working people would be much better off.

Charlie Donnelly’s ploy is designed to give him access to the resources of state branches of the NUW. He has a brand new builing at Docklands to pay for and few avenues to access finance, other than tapping into the branch accounts of the NUW in Queensland, SA & WA. If he loses his gamble he loses his ACTU ambitions and his plan “B”, the ALP career path. It’s a hell of a bet Charlie.

In the NUW universe Charlie Donnelly is George Costanza, Derrick Belan is Kramer, and Tim Kennedy is Elaine Bennes

And John Cosgrove is Bart Simpson

….And Nick Thredgold is Millhouse
?

…I’d say Anthony Thow is Sideshow Bob but that’d make him too interesting!

Is Mark Furner trying to imitate me???

These are some examples

“Standing here today in this great democratic house before all senators, visitors and family is a humble and proud opportunity.”

“As a newly elected senator, I cannot help evaluating the future. We are all fortunate and responsible in having a genuine opportunity to accomplish proper legislation to showcase our great nation as leaders in sustainability for our future generations”

“Twelve February this year marked my inaugural journey to Canberra and Parliament House. I had never had the opportunity or occasion to visit this esteemed house until then. My journey to this house and Labor values, unbeknown to me, started back in my young prime as a youngster growing up in a housing commission home on the northern side of Brisbane in the suburb of Chermside. My parents never spoke of politics. Those conversations came from external discussions and debates with other families.”

Stop it now you moose turd

Is Mark Furner retarded?

Oh, leave him alone…after all he IS from Queensland!

“The Mongolian Bowl Dance’ was a certain favourite as was the performance ‘Nymphs of the Sea’.”

What does Stephanie Rice have to do with anything?

Queensland has given us Kevin Rudd, Wayne Swan, Quentin Bryce, even Kevin’s new office boss Alisdair Jordon and all people remember Queensland for is Mark Furner. Come on guys give Queensland a break

“Chairman Mao knew the military orders issued by Chiang Kai-shek before they ever made it to Chiang’s army commander.”

Ignore my power at your peril

Is that really Chairman Charlie?

But what about the bee keeper? & the square bears???

If Ted and Old Man Winter are serious about winning the next State Election, does that mean that useless time-serving seat-warmers like myself and McGoo Norma Wells have to resign from the Admin Committee?

I think it’s hilarious that the QLD Branch want to bleat about state rights and autonomy when the State Secretary can’t even manage to make it to meetings of the QCU Executive. Just one of many things he is incapable of doing… walking and chewing gum springs to mind.

Why would the NUW go to the QCU they are useless and we are going to leave them when we win the vote. They just want all our money so they can give jobs to fat nurses

I find highly interesting that those conservative small state secretaries are running a case based on union democracy, and yet they were the ones who voted against a simple national referendum on the matter.

This vote is about Australian unions moving out of the late 19th century and into the 21st. More power will be vested down to delegates and activist on the shop floor, and the union will be able to speak with a united national voice when dealing with large employers!

Shows how out of touch with QLD you are “union democrat” In QLD we don’t rely on activists. We have family,friends & neighbours. That’s how the union is run up here. Members shmembers

Unfortunately, I don’t think they have much choice. Qld, WA, and SA have virtually no members, and NSW isn’t doing much better. With membership going south everywhere except Victoria, this proposal would appear ro make sense.

Those Mexicans just can’t help themselves. Will they ever learn that we’re a lot smarter here in the Premier State? Their “democratic process” is doomed to failure, and then I will TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!!

Cosgrove got laughed off my site this week. Can’t even run a mass meeting how can he run a state branch?
Bring on reform, I am sick of being part of the qld branch when it can’t even do a decent job. Why don’t we get access to extra organisers on the phone like vic do? Not good enough Cosgrove.

You have to do the best with what God gave you.

——————————————————————————–
Drill Sergeant(Derrick): Gump! What’s your sole purpose in this army?

Forrest Gump (Cosgrove): To do whatever you tell me, drill sergeant!

Drill Sergeant: God damn it, Gump! You’re a god damn genius! This is the most outstanding answer I have ever heard. You must have a goddamn I.Q. of 160. You are goddamn gifted, Private Gump. Listen up, people…

Forrest Gump: Now for some reason I fit in the army like one of them round pegs. It’s not really hard. You just make your bed real neat and remember to stand up straight and always answer every question with “Yes, drill sergeant.”

Drill Sergeant: …Is that clear?

Forrest Gump: Yes, drill sergeant!

The new building in docklands was built and paid for by LUCRF (Labour Union Co-operative Retirement Fund) the first industry super fund that was established by the Storeman and Packers in the 1970s and led the way for the potable and compulsory super we all now take for granted.

Because the Vic branch is growing - unlike NSW who after 30 years of Bealan and son at the helm is 30% of the size it once was - they are moving to one floor of the new building because they need the extra space. National office has a small part of that one floor and it is all fully paid for by the sale of their existing building.

Members come first and members need a union that is strong nationally. Reform is crucial and the members will have their say in the referendum.

A strong national union is one thing, what Donnelly is proposing is simply a way he can access more funds and have more control. How can a union grow or be strong locally via “call centre activism”?

As for the Victoria Branch growing, well, the reality is that they have lost at least 800 members over the past couple of years.

This rule change is simple about two different camps. One believes in shop floor unionism, the tried and tested activism that made the S&Ps strong and the other group that thinks a call centre can replace face to face servicing.

Oh, and as far as Charlie goes, his clout has been lobbied for him, in the ALP and the union movement. He got his position from buying out his opponents (What kind of pay out did Greg Sword get?).

In the final analysis, centralised unions die a slow death. What we have here is a ballot not just on centralisation but a plebisite on Charlie Donnelly himself.

Roll the dice and let the fun begin.

….and once the fun begins, we can make it go a long, long time.

Oh Charlie….why so serious..?

I got a text message today asking me to vote no, saying my union organiser would be replaced by a call centre and it was signed by “QLD Secretary”.

Well I have not seen my organiser in the 2 years I have worked at my site and as for the QLD Secretary he or she couldn’t even bother to put their name to the text, so is it really SECRETary?

The text also directed me to a web site that had a NSW phone number, is that what local means to the bludgers running the QLD Branch?

Not wanting to call NSW I called the QLD office 3368 1077 and got a person called Stacey Furner, is that a relation of Senator Furner?

If so is the QLD NUW under its current leadership a family business?

Any change could not be worse than what is happening now.

Confused Bronco, you are a fool, you think the NUW QLD Branch is there to represent you.. NO it is there to give jobs to family, friends & neighbours of mates & also loser officials of other unions that were sacked by their original unions. If you can find an official ask them where they worked before they got on the NUW QLD drip. Happy hunting

Fact 1:
Call centres in the US are an appreciated 21st century service and don’t replace Organisers anywhere in the world. Vic and SA members appreciate the service.

Fact 2:
DB should stop hanging with Forest Gump and the WA SDA Secretary with the futile hope they will give him power. They CAN’T!

Fact 3:
If National Office is so hell bent on power, why isn’t it trying to take over NSW? Afterall, it has the numbers! Answer: NSW is a functional branch, Qld, WA & SA aren’t.

Fact 4:
The upcoming vote is a democratic vote run by the Electoral Commission. As unionists, how could the NSW, SA, WA and QLD branches vote to NOT give members a vote?

Fact 5:
Stop the psycho babble about call centres taking over, massive debts, evil officials….it is obvious that the Qld wing is grasping at straws. Get some real facts, if you do this, you will vote YES also!

Poor NUW members, we sacked Cosgrove years ago, now you guys are stuck with him. Why the hell did you give the fool a job? As a fellow unionist if any of the people wanting to get rid of him need help just let us in the public sector know. We have plenty of time to help. If voting YES means NO to Cosgrove then count your state public sector comrades in

Don’t know where you are getting your numbers from Gilgamesh but the Vic branch is growing right now, unlike any other state.

Given your ill-informed crack about “call centre activism” I assume you hail from NSW - where Derrick won’t let the members have access to ADDITIONAL organisers via NUW Assist. Vic members get face to face servicing AND access to five extra organisers via a membership service centre. The Vic members love it.

And how dare you invoke the “tried and tested activism” of the S&Ps when you are backing the camp that tried to deny members a vote about the reform. The S&Ps were about members having control - just what this referendum is offering. Qld wouldn’t know “shop floor unionism” if they fell over it, what sort of state branch has 2 of 33 officials come from the shop floor??

This is a plebiscite about the vision of Charlie Donnelly and the others in National Office who have the courage to be true to members. Who think members should decide directly if they want change. And who will not stand by while the NUW sinks into oblivion in Qld, SA and WA.

The current Queensland NUW view of the “shop floor” is late night trading at Westfield Strathpine. Members are sick of these dopes. NSW should back off now QLDer’s will not cop the continuation of the current rot. Our union is not a family business “Furner & Cosgrove Pty Ltd” and we will fight to get it back.

Let a thousand flowers bloom

Hands off our union NSW. Vote yes for a stronger union in Queensland: Go Maroons - simply the best

Chairman Mao and QPSU member seem to know some facts! Are you listening DB???

If members vote YES to reform what will I do for a job? Dam you guys.

P.S. Dad needs a job as well. Also I have a canary, know any minesI can hire it out to??? We could do with the extra cash.

What does this mean for me?

It was only a 16% swing against me (is that bad?) and Peter Beattie told me to get out of the way next time so Labor could win the seat. He said we need a candidate that had a personality.. DAM that ruled me out. (but why didn’t it rule Mark Furner out? at least my father loved me)

PS I hate chris bombalos amd kerry rea.. dam u guys

Know any gyms??

Further to comments above let it be known that the SA branch of the NUW has worked tirelessly over the last 5 years to transform a union that lacked vision and recruiting personnell to a union that today has structure and a plan for the future. The branch currently recruits more members than it ever has and membership is steady and slowly easing up in the face of numerous site closures over the past years. Also it is my understanding as a member that the national office is in place to support all state branches and to provide leadership over the whole union however i have to say that i have never seen charlie and co. in adelaide for the time he has been at the helm, hardly national leadership. How do you expect people from other states to take this plan seriously if those at docklands hardly ever step foor outside of victoria?

Get a life Nick you are a loser and a joke. The National Office has paid your wages all your life. Even your own family thinks you are stupid (I have spoken to your wife) . & stop paling around with terrorists

Oh, I forgot you wanted a payout. You are a fraud you moose turd. You want me to come down there to S.A. and tell your members how stupid you really are? Put a pic up on your site, that should seal the deal.

Has Nick ever met a member?

Never seen anyone from the S.A. state branch at our site, so any change sounds good to me

Nick who?

For the information of all i am not Nick threadgold the secretary of the SA branch but just a member in this state that has seen the hard work put in over the last 5 years with no support from the national office and whether you like it or not it is true that charlie and team have hardly stepped foot in this state since elected. support and leadership is what is needed for the state branches to grow not a grab for their assets for members to call victoria if they have a problem

Hands off the Storeman & Packers & our flag & God save the Queen. I hate you Irish republicans

It amazes me how gutless you people are. Put your name to your comments, show a bit of front and stop telling lies. I’m proud of my families history with the NUW and before that the Storeman & Packers Union. I have better things to do than read comments from faceless cowards trying to say that the Belan’s have done wrong by this great Union. Unlike my some of my counterparts in other states, all Belans worked on the shop floor for many years before working for the Union. I am proud of my background, it is a shame others are not proud of theirs.

I think I need therapy. Anyone know a good doctor??

Hee hee…I found out how to become a National General Secretary of the NUW….

All you got to do is pay off Drago Illich, Dennis Lennon and then Greg Sword….

Then *poof* the job is yours!

Who says money can’t buy happiness…?

Sarah…come lie on my couch and tell me all your woes. I’ll turn that frown upside down.

Joker, you know any wolf cubs I can hunt from a helicopter? That would make me smile

Sarah Palin, can you see New South Wales from your backyard?

Nice to see union leaders like Charlie and Tim stick their neck out for what is right for the union instead of just angling for a place in parliament.

Now that is change I can believe in.

I can see the shop floor from my front porch

Be afriad be very afraid

http://handsoffourunion.wordpress.com

What are these people on?

that should be afraid but my hands were shaking

Piss of Sarah, I am sick of dodging your bullets

Please don’t abort my Branch, I mean my baby. Even simpletons have a right to life

Leave the QLD Branch alone, remember, stem cells are people too, and they have feelings

I know what you did last summer, whats there to be afraid of? Why offer that link up? If you are the creator, you really are Forrest Gump.
After the vote remember “Run Forrest Run” you dropkick.

This looks like the first step to federation. No States just Australia.

If you rednecks think you can bang on about state rights try looking after your State branches and the members first and we might listen.

but what about the children?

You should know, your still wet behind the ears.

remember … A revolution is not a dinner party, or writing an essay, or painting a picture, or doing embroidery.

Revolutions are so chic, reminds me of middle class yuppies wearing op shop clothes.

The revolutionary war is a war of the masses; it can be waged only by mobilizing the masses and relying on them.

Chairman Mao, have you got any good recipes.

‘It’s always darkest before it’s totally black.’.”

Why war? Why revolutions? This is Australia anyone with those views should leave. Our previous generations kept that sort of carry on away from our shores in WW1 and WW2.

We nust work hard to save Comrade Cosgrove he has already lost one union job at the QPSU.

To lose one union, Mr. Cosgrove, may be regarded as a misfortune. To lose both looks like carelessness

I had a good laugh at the earlier comment from Derick Belan. What planet does this bloke come from? Sorry Derick we know the score with you. You inherited a union, you didn’t get your stripes off your own bat. You are a talentless git. In fact, you wouldn’t cut in the world outside of your bunker in Grandville. You are on a par with Joe McDonald. An embarrasment to the movement. You surround yourself with a bunch of drunk thugs in black suits and a couple smart arses like Stephan Muller and c*unts like Mark Ptolomy, who must be taking time off attacking other NSW unions and Labor politicians to do your dirty work on this scurrilous campaign, cos your not smart enough for that. You hate Charlie Donnelly because you just enjoy hating anyone, as long as they are from Victoria(you need profession help with this problem, old mate)

You would rather see the whole NUW flushed down the dummy than see it made a success by a Victorian. You are mentoring a couple of tits in the form of Thredgold & Cosgrove. You are mad and it is time you got a life and gave up the “family business”, because mate, unions are not inherited, they are not family affairs, they are DEMOCRATIC and owned by MEMBERS not FAMILIES!

VOTE YES FOR THE RULE CHANGE AND LETS GET THE NUW MOVING FORWARD.

what about hunting moose??

And one more thing: You dont own LUCRF either mate.

and then it’s red. Got any spring rolls?

I have some DIM SIMS aka Furner & Cosgrove

Vote no and keep the union weak

Right on the money Atom Ant. Not only are they drunk thugs, they hit every branch when they fell out of the ugly tree. Monkeys.

oops I forgot I died, thank God we have Senator Furner to replace me. You can count on a Queenslander

i thought communism was mean-assed, but we aint got nothin on y’all. you nuw folks know some mean shit. yo nasty muthers. makes me be glad to be LHMEU *whew*

they are very Dim comrade.

I need to eat a pie

LHMEU why did you waste that peanut butter. I am hungry

It wasn’t me - it was like that when I got here.

Peace man

i mean holmes, puttin yo dirty laundry out like this is kinda undignified. y’all gotta do this hit behind closed doors. this is on public view, you know what i’m sayin? cover up this shit, man, don’t let yo neighbors see it. its embarrassin, brothers.

If there are any fair dinkum NUW members here, just remember that a YES vote is a vote for the future. A NO vote ensures the past and its proponants like Belan (and thugs and spin doctors) hold us back and stop us from being the union we should be - powerful - progressive - proud.

The only ‘fair dinkum’ thing I have read here is that the fuckwit who calls himself ‘atom ant’ truly is an ant.

It is fascinating to see the Victorian ants all imploding here together….thanks for the entertainment and the soon to be repeated NUW loss you south sea losers!

Could Atom Ant be chairman charlie or tony (i’ve never had a win) sheldon… All will be revealed!

They are the two who have never laid a glove on Belan or never will as long as all of our asses point to the ground.

Ouch….little Atom Ant, you seem a little cut, m’friend. Whats up? Scared of a “no” result? Well, like my doctor said, “if the results are negative, the best thing to do is operate”.

So, how will I operate on you, little Ant? With or without anesthetic?

Vote YES and vote often.

I believe it’s those who voted against a national referendum - state secretaries in NSW, Qld, SA and WA who are scared of the result.

Those who voted for a refendum wanted the membership to do the talking.

Hmmm Ant Onia…..gone off the Jenny Craig program I see….?

Why is Bealan spending NSW members money on blogs and mailouts opposing the reform when it will have no effect on NSW? Vanity and ego?

As Chopper once said “Jimmy, if you keep stabbing me, you’re going to kill me. “

Cut the crap! History has shown you can’t build “socialism” in one country.It needs to be International. So you can’t build “unionism” in one state and that’s demonstrated by the downward spiral in QLD,WA & SA.

We need a national union with a national program (transitional Program) to begin to build a genuine union that represents the members interests and supports union workplace representatives and structures.

Vote Yes for change now and so we can build a genuine national union for all.

Signed Trotsky

Belan and his monkeys must be feeling very proud of themselves. You idiots might be able to use the court to slow progress but you wont stop it. You shortsighted dopes. Leadership will prevail- something Belan would not understand. Unless it is given to him. He could never earn it himself.

Stopping the general secretary from speaking to your delegates was a great move for democracy in the NUW. What a hero of workers rights you are!

The talentless may be scared of the future but you know in the end you will lose.

Looks like there is a pattern emerging - General Secretary banned from speaking to NSW delegates, comments in support of the yes case being deleted from the get your hand off it blog, attempts to stop members having a vote - why are some so scared of an open debate and democratic process? Too easy to expose the lies, crazy conspiracy theories and personal attacks that seem to be all the supporters of the no case can come up with I guess…

You Canadians should stop wasting money supporting states who can’t grow or represent their membership base. It is a pitty those states have a stay of proceedings for the time being. More time to bleed their branches and more time for the Yes Voters to prove the No Voters conspiracy theories are NOTHING but LIES & PROPAGANDA!!

As if banning Charlie and Doug from Delegates Conferences in NSW and WA isn’t proof enough of this!

Oh how REALITY SUCKS!

It is surprising the amount of crap that gets put up here lets look at some more facts. The states got the court injunction because they fought on the grounds that 2 weeks is not enough time to adequately inform people of the biggest proposed resturucture in the unions history whether it be for or against, why did the national leadership not allow more time to educate the memebers about the changes? And why was the proposal sprung on the states without prior warning unless they wanted to rush it through. And secondly the states did vote against the referendum that was proposed because they rightfully beleive that the only members that should be balloted in this circumstance should be those of the states that will be effected, why are victorian members voting on something that the national office is trying to claim has nothing to do with them and wont affect there branch. They shouldn’t vote along with NSW! The only reason they are voting is because without them these changes would have no hope of succeeding because the truth is the memebers in the states dont want these changes. Another point in the many years that charlie has been the national secretary i have not seen him once at the delegates day in south australia, funny how when they want to try and convince people to vote for there reforms they finally discover where the airport is in melbourne and want to visit other states

Comrade Donnelly wasn’t “banned” from any meeting in NSW. There was a motion put to the meeting to allow him to speak, a show of hands was taken and that motion was lost. It was a vote. He was unsucessful. That’s life and he should get used to it.

Anyway, members will have the opportunty look at the proposed Rule change via the glossy, professional brochure that has been posted out.

By the way…how much did that classy book cost? Must have been well over $100,000 with postage.

Wouldnt it be great to have that money spent on members through better agreements or recruitment material and not a PR exercise that will not be successful?

No matter which side of this issue you stand you have to admit one thing - while the National Office think about rule changes and state branch abolishments, we STILL have a federal Labor Government that has an IR regime with most of the harmful aspects of Howard’s Workchoices, we STILL have workers being shafted because of the lack of pace of change and we STILL have a labour movement that is showing itself to be ineffectual against the Federal Labor Government’s half-assed commitment to reform.

Maybe it we considered those issues first over any “structural reforms”, NUW members would be better off.

As a member of the NUW I can’t argue against that last message

The reason Donnelly has power within the NUW is because membership of the Vic branch almost doubled under is leadership. The Vic branch can also recruit good organisers from their delegate ranks.

Two things that ensure the future of any union organisation.

Two things the Qld branch has consistently failed to do.

Any delegate worth their salt in Qld has been disgusted when they find out how the branch really operates.

What a wanker you are Joker.

Does the NSW branch have a show of hands every time someone is to speak to delegates? Didn’t think so.
Anyway, if the yes case is so weak why wasn’t Charlie allowed to address the NSW delegates? Oh, that’s right, you don’t believe in free speech in NSW, that’s why you are not letting the hundreds of posts for reform onto the “get your hand off” it blog.

If the structurally stuffed branches had accepted the help on offer for the last two years we wouldn’t have to have a ballot. If Derrick could resist the limelight and his pathological hated of Vic for a minute we wouldn’t have to have a drawn out court battle.

The members deserve and need a strong national union. Reform will give them that.

Joker you’re not a joker you’re a SMOKER and right now your under the desk smoking Derek Belans little Cheroot.

As I once said “A general is just as good or just as bad as the troops under his command make him”. Belan junior employs a brigade of monkeys, and rubs the tummies of fools for fun. In the end the snotty kid of Frank the fingerless will end up as a labor movement laughing stock, just like he is within his own union.

Oh and Derek, putting your name to a blog just proves that you are a goof off time waster like the rest of us, except you little boy are supposed to be running a union and looking after your members, not missusing the only computer in the NSW branch. By the way, why dont you let your officials have their own email address’s? Scared that they will have contact with the outside world and discover that you are not Nero, just a fiddler?

Seriously though folks why would the National office want to take over the the ailing branches? Well it isnt for the money, there isnt any. Cant be for the infrastructure or activists or talent, non of that either. Could it be that they want a national that can do its job and look after its members (take note Derek you little time waster you). Could it be that it sees a membership in terminal decline in states that are booming and wonders why the so called officials in those states are too afraid to go see their sites and recruit (take note Nick the nuttless). Perhaps it sees a skin of his teath senator despeately trying to ensure he has a job in 6 years by employing a fool and some family to mind his branch for him when he is away. Whatever the reasons are, not reforming the basket case states will see members in those states suffer and continue to leave the union in droves.

I shall……well, you know the rest.

I spent some time laughing how QLD ran their branch. Then I was told it wasn’t a joke…

Can you Victorian NUW Officials check your spelling before you start slagging the other Branch officials’ intelligence levels? It’s embarrassing enough that there is a public shit-slinging match going on, the least you can do is spell your spite-filled messages properly!

Hate is one thing - but bad spelling is just totally unacceptable, Comrades.

I had a comment removed from the handsoffourunion blog. Where’s the spirit of free debate in that?

By the way, has anyone else noticed that “hands off our union” sounds like the State Secretaries view the union as their’s?

I think http://www.handsoffourunion.wordpress.com has a arrogance filter feature…so that’s why your message may have not gotten on.

By the way, how’s the view from the new building at Docklands?

Do you reckon the NSW Branch should relocate to next to the Opera House? Or maybe Queensland Branch on the beach at the Sunshine Coast?

“hands off” is stifling free speech - just like NSW did when they would not let their delegates hear Charlie talk.
You have gotta be suss about a mob who won’t even let their opponents express a point of view.

What do you call QLD,WA,SA,TAS all reformed into one branch?

PROBLEM SOLVED…….

Why Did the Chicken Cross the Road?
BARACK OBAMA: The chicken crossed the road because it was time for a change! The chicken wanted change!
JOHN MCCAIN: My friends, that chicken crossed the road because he recognized the need to engage in cooperation and dialogue with all the chickens on the other side of the road.
SARAH PALIN: BECAUSE, PRAISE JESUS, I WAS GONNA SHOOT HIS SORRY LIBERAL ASS OFF FOR BLOCKING MY VIEW OF RUSSIA!
HILLARY CLINTON: When I was First Lady, I personally helped that little chicken to cross the road. This experience makes me uniquely qualified to ensure right from Day One that every chicken in this country gets the chance it deserves to cross the road. But then, this really isn’t about me.
GEORGE W. BUSH: We don’t really care why the chicken crossed the road. We just want to know if the chicken is on our side of the road, or not. The chicken is either against us, or for us. There is no middle ground here.
DICK CHENEY: Where’s my gun?
COLIN POWELL: Now to the left of the screen, you can clearly see the satellite image of the chicken crossing the road.
BILL CLINTON: I did not cross the road with that chicken. What is your definition of crossing?
AL GORE: I invented the chicken.
JOHN KERRY: Although I voted to let the chicken cross the road, I am now against it! It was the wrong road to cross, and I was misled about the chicken’s intentions. I am not for it now, and will remain against it.
AL SHARPTON: Why are all the chickens white? We need some black chickens.
DR. PHIL: The problem we have here is that this chicken won’t realize that he must first deal with the problem on this side of the road before it goes after the problem on the other side of the road. What we need to do is help him realize how stupid he’s acting by not taking on his current problems before adding new problems.
OPRAH: Well, I understand that the chicken is having problems, which is why he wants to cross this road so bad. So instead of having the chicken learn from his mistakes and take falls, which is a part of life, I’m going to give this chicken a car so that he can just drive across the road and not live his life like the rest of the chickens.
ANDERSON COOPER, CNN: We have reason to believe there is a chicken, but we have not yet been allowed to have access to the other side of the road.
NANCY GRACE: That chicken crossed the road because he’s guilty! You can see it in his eyes and the way he walks.
PAT BUCHANAN: To steal the job of a decent, hardworking American.
MARTHA STEWART: No one called me to warn me which way that chicken was going. I had a standing order at the Farmers Mark et to sell my eggs when the price dropped to a certain level. No little bird gave me any insider information.
DR SEUSS: Did the chicken cross the road? Did he cross it with a toad? Yes, the chicken crossed the road, but why it crossed I’ve not been told.
ERNEST HEMINGWAY: To die in the rain, alone.
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GRANDPA: In my day we didn’t ask why the chicken crossed the road. Somebody told us the chicken crossed the road, and that was good enough.
BARBARA WALTERS: Isn’t that interesting? In a few moments, we will be listening to the chicken tell, for the first time, the heart warming story of how it experienced a serious case of molting, and went on to accomplish its lifelong dream of crossing the road.
ARISTOTLE: It is the nature of chickens to cross the road.
JOHN LENNON: Imagine all the chickens in the world crossing roads together, in peace.
BILL GATES: I have just released eChicken2008, which will not only cross roads, but will lay eggs, file your important documents, and balance your checkbook. Internet Explorer is an integral part of eChicken2008. This new platform is much more stable and will never crash.
ALBERT EINSTEIN: Did the chicken really cross the road, or did the road move beneath the chicken?
COLONEL SANDERS: Did I miss one?

Nerdy beetroot head Donnelly failed at his first hurdle. If he can not get that right then maybe beetroot head Donnelly should go. If I was a NSW Delegate I wouldn’t let nerd boy into my meeting either.

Dickhead Donnelly tried to stifle democracy by committing an ambush on all states. Luckily the federal court has seen through this arrogant shit’s tactics and put a stop to it. Sit on the Docklands, enjoy the view and think about some other way to pay for it.

I agree with Hugh Jarse. It seems that heeeeero Nerdmeister Charlie (Beetroot Head) Donnelly should gather up his gear and give someone else the Docklands view. Maybe Hairy Arms Timmy? Hmm no. What about Pretty Antony? Nah…Someone else..? Yes…and in a couple of years an election will decide person will be.

The real reason that poor old Chuckie couldnt get in to the meeting was the height requirement at the door. If you were 3 foot or under you couldnt get in!

Hey, while all you Vic dweebs are busy sooking on these blogs, whose minding te shop? Oh, thats right, you do all your work over the phuking phones!

How sweet it is..victory for the true believers.

The Judge saw straight through the attempted ambush by the Nats. Sucked in you dumb asses!

You play with fire you get burnt.

WHAT PART OF NO YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND

WHEN IS CHARIE AND THE NATIONAL OFFICE, GOING TO BE ACT AS A UNIONISTS AND NOT AS A POLITICAN CASH COW.

The creation of a non-active member branch is imposing” DICTION” over other states
How can Victoria serve the other state’s whist failing to manage their own?
Let stop this centralized structure you see that GREG SWORD try this and did not work he stuffed around with the member’s at DAVID HOLDING NSW (IGA) his mate GARY JOHNSON that was a official of Victoria branch that is now the HR for IGA (DAVID HOLDING) with backdoor deal’s attempted to do over the NSW STATE BRANCH, at a cost to me and my member’s on site, GREG SWORD liked the idea of a centre branch,
I remember all too well I will voting NO and will tell all to do so, and if mean’s I lose a week wage to get the word out I will to, me and the member’s will this fight.
It’s is so stupid try it again we should be work with the official and delegates to grow and support the branch’s in the states not just stripping away them.
To have spent 30mil on luxurious new office is a joke that money is better in the state’s office’s to help them grow.
SO HANDS OFF OUR UNION!

if derrick is supporting all the branch’s and has strong strategic plan
Champions aren’t made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them — a desire, a dream, a vision.

Muhammad Ali
1942-, American Boxer
and a clear vision,
charlie donnelly is trying to destroy the branch’s

Attitude is a little thing that makes a big difference.

Winston Churchill
English, Statesman Quotes

i think we all should remember this and exercise and have change in leadership next union election,

to vote for a unionist (derrick belan) that will demonstrate by collectively supporting all branch’s and the membership,

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed; We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal�

Martin Luther King Jr.
1929-1968, American Black Leader, Nobel Prize Winner, 1964

hail derrick belan for general secratary

Dear NSW delegate, love the quotes but the only thing you hail is a taxi. If you equate Derrick to NSW cab drivers then we’re in trouble coz they never no where they’re going and always get lost!!!!

Dear NSW delegate, love the quotes, but the only thing you hail is a taxi, if you equate Derrick to NSW cab drivers, we’re stuffed coz your cabbies never know where they’re going and always get lost.

God help us all!!!!

Charlie Donnelly’s setback in the courts at least gives all members an opportunity to think about the proposal and come to a rational decision that suits their needs not that of ANY paid official from ANY office.

If National Office were to allow ample time in the first place (say a period of two months) then the NUW may not be tearing apart itself in public view.

None of us want to be rushed in any decision making process. I take great offence at the view that because NUW members are blue collar workers we are somehow not able to look at the facts and reach a decision.

We are a diverse range of people, generalising us only alienates us.

So, lets all take a deep breath and calm down and then start discussing this issue as adults.

If OUR Union were to relocate all of OUR resources to Cairns or Broome then maybe some of our fellow unionists in Victoria would have a greater appreciation of the situation faced by members in other states.

All these duluctual comments are inflaborant!

Stop being so exfaradiant!

WTF? Are you a nerdie sycophant from Victoria? Sounds like it….I had my exfaradiant cleaned last week!

Joker - you are more like a Jerker.

Don’t discorragulate my verbotalim. If you had as good an education as me then you would confalute what I meant.

Get a theasaurus… no, that’s not an extinguiated dinosaur.

AWWW….why dont you insipuate my shiny vemgottellgliser!

It is too small to insipuate. I would need an electron microscope to locatulate it first.
I’ve heard that many people have had a go at your vemgottelgliser and I don’t want any part of it….not that there is that much to go around.

…hmmmm..at least its shiny.

a yes vote will mean smart educated unionminded organisers representing members and growing the union in queensland.

time to get rid of the corrupt boys club that put up fees and reduced organiser numbers just so they could say the qld union made money. The annual report tells the tale - fewer members every year.

I was embarrassed everytime furner and his boys showed up, always unprepared, undereducated about industrial relations and never won anything decent. They were happy to keep getting paid and using the union’s resources to get furner elected.

Bring back organisers and secreatries that work with the national union and are willing to put members before their own stupid egos.

I ’spose that “at least it’s shiny” is all you can say in favour of the docklands palace.

Hey - watch the spelling!! Bad spelling is unacceptable.

That and that it is full of vemgottellglisers

Hyphenate your dictoctorate rhetoricate!

What a surprise,a vic takeover.Well nerd boy Charlie,you got to ask yourself a question,do i feel lucky?Well do you nerd punk?And hairy arms Timmy,you`re about as popular as a turd in a swimming pool.Old Dougie,a good man knows his limitations.Lets hope you`re a good man.Bucky westgate Richo,I just opened a fortune cookie,it said you`re shit out of luck.So why don`t all you boys stop acting like hero`s,go sit at the docklands and suck on some fish heads.Call centres are for assholes.

With the court action to stop the ballot, does that mean that General Secretary Donnelly acted wrongly or dishonestly? If there were no inconsistencies or irregularities, then one would presume the court would have rejected the application for an injunction.

Does anyone have a link to the exact wording of the orders
that were handed down?

It would be in the best interests of this debate to have that information publicly available to the membership.

Having someone on the end of the phone is better than getting bad advice from a dickhead that forgets to show up to meetings, forgets to return calls and bullies members when they don’t get their own way

No Dirty Harry, call centres are for members who have a general query relating to their wages and conditions which they want answered in a timely fashion. After receiving a query Member Assist instantly emails your Organiser (that’s right, not only does your Organiser still exist, they are also always informed). Member Assist is a supplementary tool, not a replacement for organising. Nor will the new structure have any greater reliance on this service, so lets stop pretending these changes will be the end of state-based officials. It’s as big a wank as the crap about Docklands, asset grabs, etc…

With the court action to stop the ballot, does that mean that General Secretary Donnelly acted wrongly or dishonestly? If there were no inconsistencies or irregularities, then one would presume the court would have rejected the application for an injunction.

Does anyone have a link to the exact wording of the orders
that were handed down?

It would be in the best interests of this debate to have that information publicly available to the membership.

All quiet? I thought so. Well, as a REAL member and not an official I would rather read that than his childish slagging.

Can we see the court results????

Is there a website I can look at that would have the court information?

Hmmm….lots of nasty shit on this blog….

Speaking of nasty….DHL members know all about nasty - Charlie Donnelly signed off on DHL workers being worked up to 50 hours with no overtime…..

…now THATS nasty!

…and while we’re on the subject of DHL…what’s that genius Sam Roberts working on now?

Did you learn anything from your great work at DHL, Sam?

It was good teamwork…Sam set it up and Charlie signed off on it.

Quality work fellas.

You should talk.

Lets have a look at the calibre of tools Belan surrounds himself with.

Well, if you’re lucky enough the office phone will be answered by his little sister. He also gave his brother Nic a job too. It’s a family business, you know. Cosy.

Then look at his official -
Fools and failures.
Amanda Perkins - failed NSW Printers Union Secretary
Martin Cartright - ex- AMWU and ex NSW Trades Hall
Steve Caine - Ex NSW TWU
a few ex-has been delegates too but only those who cant read or write and cant use a computer - Derick likes ‘em dull and compliant.
What about his media man - Mark Ptolomy - former ALP hack and candidate. The worst the NSW ALP Right can offer. Ran the dirtiest federal campaign in NSW in 2004 and only was preselected because he was mates with Mark Latham. Recently famous for trying to destroy a local independant councillor’s reputation in western Sydney by claiming an assault (yes, we can use the a google search, unlike you dickheads). Spends his spare time helping (NUW NSW mate)Paul Gibson destabilise a duly elected LABOR government in NSW. Real class act.

What about the 2 gorillas who were in court recently over STOMPING on the feet of a union offical? Nice one, dickheads.

And Derick himself. Inherits a union, runs it into the ground, makes a reputation as a thug and boofhead and thinks acting like an idiot is somehow how to run a union.

So, when you look behind the attempt to stop progress look no further than this mottly crew of misfits, animals and retrobates.

We should expell them from the NUW because they bring us nothing but grief and SHAME!

mutatis mutandis

Atoms are mainly made up of darkmatter

Ants are little things that kids burn with a magnifying glass

I hope the “yes” vote fails.

What happened to my car-parking spot at the taj mahal?

Even Kennedy got one.

The rest of us have been left out on the street like commoners.

Workers’ right should start at the union with ample car-parking spaces?

Hey, Sammy Ant…
Did you get a car spot?
A genius like you deserves one!

The self-deigned elite even have their own arm-waxing studio.

Hey Thowy…..

Did you drop in to say hello to Karen on your last visit to NZ?

…..and how’s your old mate going in the upper house? Still looking for a lower house exit?

Geez, getting your arses smacked by Crean musta stung.

JESUS CHRIST!!!
It seems the NSW led ship of TOOLS have lost a rudder. Perhaps you sniping little bitches should interupt your circle-jerk just long enough to think up a coherent argument against the changes, rather than just smearing all and sundry. Don’t whine about Docklands, don’t cry about Member Assist, give us some substance or shut your dumb wannabe mafioso mouths.

http://handsoffourunion.wordpress.com for the latest Federal Court Orders

question
how do you pay for a 30million dollar building
answer
with other branches money

I’M JUST A BLUE COLLAR MEMBER OF HE NUW. THE ONLY CONTACT I HAVE WITH THE UNION IS THROUGH MY DELEGATE AND ORGANISER. I PAY MY FEES EVERY PAYDAY. I KNOW THE UNION IS THERE WHEN I NEED IT. I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS BLOG. I GOT THE GLOSSY BOOKLET AND THE FACTS SHEET TODAY FROM MELBOURNE. I GOT DERRICK’S LETTER. ALL I WANT TO KNOW IS WHY THE BIG RUSH? WHY ALL THIS DRAMA? WHAT HAPPENED TO MAKE IT END UP IN COURT. CANT WE HAVE A LONGER TIME TO THINK ABOUT THIS VOTE. I WANT ALL THE INFORMATION NOT THE HYPE. I JUST WANT A BIT OF TIME TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION. I FEEL LIKE WE’RE GETTING THE HARD SELL AT THE PRESENT. WHY IS THIS? ARE WE BEING CONNED? IT FEELS LIKE IT.

The info from head office was well produced, but it seems to me that if we vote yes for the rule change and a few years down the track someone else proposes a takeover of the Vic Branch, what is to stop them?

Charlie is a good bloke and I dont think he’d do anything under hand but I’m reluctant to vote yes just because I think the big state branches need some kind of safe guard against takeovers. The Vic branch and the NSW branch have a lot of assets - members assets - so I am all for making sure no one can take that down the track.

By the way, the contents of this blog are being talked about on other blogs so, you guys may want to think about some of the things that are being said on this. Everyone can see it.

All I know I want the NUW to stay strong and stay cashed up. Im not sure the rule change will keep that happening.

Well said “nobody oct.17″
How much more money is the Vic Mafia going to waste trying to bully and bullshit their way into controlling the “MEMBERS ” Union.
Also, How long before this call centre goes overseas?

Hey jOKER I suppose you think this is Charlie’s and Sam’s fault too???????
TWU fights for worker reinstatement and WINS:
NSW NUW refused to represent unfairly
dismissed DHL worker
The National Union of Workers NSW Branch refused to represent DHL worker Kulwant Kaur when she was unfairly dismissed at work. The TWU took the case to court on her behalf.
On Friday 12 September 2008, the Australian Industrial Relations Commission said:

“We have decided, for ourselves, to make an order that Mrs Kaur be reappointed to the position in which she was employed immediately before her termination.” and

“We will also order that DHL pay Mrs Kaur an amount in respect of the remuneration lost by her, consequent upon the termination.”

(Source: Decision, K Kaur v DHL Exel Supply Chain (Aust) Pty Ltd, AIRC, 12/9/08)
Here is what Kulwant said herself:
“I had been a member of the NUW for years and had never called on their help. I was sacked for no reason at all. The NUW refused to help me. They seemed to be on the side of DHL. They asked me to leave the room so they could have a private discussion with DHL. They then came out and told me they would not run my case I couldn’t believe it. It was like they were acting for DHL not me.”
“I contacted the TWU who advised me that my dismissal was unfair. They took up my case and fought for my rights. I can say the TWU has stood up for me and fought for me, they stood up for my rights. The TWU took my case to the Australian Industrial Relations Commission and won.”
Kulwant Kaur, DHL Huntingwood.

Derrick be careful as Cosgrove is idiot enough to actually believe his own self promotion and next thing he’ll try cutting the strings because he thinks “I’M A REAL BOY”

And as much as people are banging on about “State Rights” can someone please tell me what’s RIGHT about the STATE of the WA branch???
No self respecting unionist thinks that it’s OK that the leadership (cough)is in charge of two unions and that one of them takes unlimited leave to go and take a position in a third union to help Grow it. What the ???

You see I can get my organizers to email me the gear I need, not someone who is an EX DEMTEL EMPLOYEES (NUW ASSIST CALL CENTRE) I do not need a free set of steak knifes
I can talk to my organizer as he has upstanding about campaign.
I can still help SA, OLD, WA in vote no, and I can also help in recruitment, that is better way than make up branch’s or to get a glossy booklet, or have a 30mil new office so you can have latté
To act as a politician on makeup branch’s as central that has not grown, that’s we should close that one,
See if you act politician what next central/general sub branch off the subcommittee wake up
Be a unist, stop make up rule change as you do like them.
GROW UP
Or Charlie Donnelly has to go to bed with no TV.

GET OUT MY CLOUD
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=pq3YdpB6N9M

A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=DWezv1cqTAg

Nothing can stop the man with the right mental attitude from achieving his goal; nothing on earth can help the man with the wrong mental attitude.
YOU BEEN THUNDERSTRUCK

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=zvoeeq-BH4w

CHARIE DONNELLY(aka: col klink)
his masterpiece as he try to sell out the SA,QLD,WA.
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsGggEt6h6I

Life is too short to spend your precious time trying to convince a person who wants to live in gloom and doom otherwise. Give lifting that person your best shot, but don’t hang around long enough for his or her bad attitude to pull you down. Instead, surround yourself with optimistic people.
SO HANDS OFF CHARLIE.

THE SAINTS ARE COMING.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=seGhTWE98DU

There will be no more blasphemy allowed J.C Rules

Woah….big time public flagulation.

There’s some seriously nasty shit going on here!

If you don’t like the shit don’t smell it and bugger off.

Sorry, I thought this was a public blog….obviously it is only for those players inside the tent. You NUW boys are all pretty dumb. The stuff written here is being looked at by other unions. We are all seeing how disunited you all are. Your national office attacking state branches…them fighting back…and all in the public domain. Beats payTV.

i had the same problem with those nsw bastards you knock them down they get up again sucked in charlie this is a better pay back than anything i could have done

Ahhh, yes, whatever happened to Greg Sword? Another skeleton in the NUW closet.

Is there much more room in there? Donnelly is only a little bloke.

Hey shit bag Sheldon and filthy sell out Forno, stop pretending your Swordy and some dickhead greenie. Go play on someone elses blog. Besides, havn’t you got some Linfox or Dairy Farmers members to sell out.

Actually, “ultimate hero” (modest name you chose there), I’m CFMEU in NSW and I am not the poster “swordy”. It isn’t just the TWU would know your dirty secrets. Almost every unionist in Australia knows about Greg Sword’s time as NUW national boss. We also know about the current feud in nsw between the twu and you crazy mother fuckers.

Most people I talk to are pretty inpressed with it, no one likes the twu after all their shit was hung out on channel 9. We all know they are crooks. eals with bosses and secret campaign accounts are the things that damage the whole union field. The slag rags and dvds that were sent to all union officials (from the NUW in NSW we guess) may have been over-kill but I have to say very effective. We pissed ourselves over that stuff. Poor Tony Sheldon didnt match you in his return fire. The latest letter and flyers were weak as. It’s like he was crying to his mummy that you pinched one of his toys.

What I meant in my previous post was that fighting in public is not good for anyone. Can’t you blokes deal with it Sopranos-style? Your enemies could be put in concrete and have a warehouse built over the top of them : )

OK Greenie,I apologise for thinking you were that other shitbag.Can you get us a cheap backhoe so we can start our warehouse.

Ha ha we’ll see what we can do. When the warehouse is built you could ask one of the politicians who benefited from the TWU secret fund to officially open it!

Woa man,some real serious shit going down here.Some of you dudes sound like crazy motherfuckers.

CUT THE CRAP,
BELAN IS THE ONLY ONE WHO IS SHOWING LEADERSHIP HERE, ANY FAIR DINKUM NUW MEMBERS HERE WILL VOTE NO TO ENSURE A POWERFUL AND PROUD AS IT IS.
AND NOT TO GO ON LIKE GREG SWORD STYLE TO MAKE UP A BRANCH
A coward gets scared and quits. A hero gets scared, but still goes on.

Well nerd boy Charlie,you got to ask yourself a question,do you feel lucky punk?
hands off our union and it’s branch’s
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=N2ErOLs1ntk

If you read this article and all these blog comments, it makes you realise how immature, stupid and irrelevant unions are!

Obviously the NUW is run both nationally and in each state by a bunch of bozos.

Read the comments! If I were a member of this union I would be asking for my membership dues back. What kind of idiots are these people. Too incompetent to keep membership up and stupid to keep their feud in-house. The area which they cover, according to thier website, includes storemen. Now, go for a drive around any industrial area in Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide or Brisbane, not to mention Darwin and Perth and all you see are new warehouses! Australia doesnt make anything anymore - we import it all and it is distributed from BIG WAREHOUSES FULL OF WORKERS! And this bunch of dodos CAN’T FIND MEMBERS!

If there are ANY members of this union reading this - do yourself a favour: resign and save your money. Obviously, the so-called “leaders” of the NUW are too busy writing childish nonsense on the internet and playing ridiculous internal power-games.

Clowns are only funny at the circus. If they are running a union it is no laughing matter. It is taking members’ money by deception!

I have been following this blog for a week now and I must say the last entry is spot on.

Can we have a vote, not on Charlie Donelly’s dumb plan but on new leadership BOTH NATIONALLY AND IN NSW.

Both secretaries are idiots. Union membership is dropping across the board. All we hear from delegates is rubbish and a dumb plan, which only worries those who work for the union. As a plain old member I would rather see MY hard earned bucks spent on SERVICES for members, a RECRUITMENT DRIVE and something, ANYTHING in return for our fees!!! In NSW we get sweet FA for our ten bucks a week!!!!

I only found out that NUW officials get about $90,000 a year! The bosses of the union get about $150,000!!!! We are paying these ratbags ENORMOUS amounts of money for what???? To put bullshit on the internet????

I WANT to be unionised. I BELIEVE in it. But these people are taking the piss out of all us members.

Wake up NUW members. Start asking questions about your so-called leadership in NSW and in every Branch in the country. DEmand more. Better services. Better value and BETTER PEOPLE running the bloddy show.

hey - I’m worth every cent.

The NUW is a joke.

I was once a member at a place called Danks in Sydney.

The union rep was never to be seen. Once I saw him at a meeting and he was a complete idiot. Talking shit and making it up as he went along. He was like something out of the 1950s. The union delegates at the place were dumb and not really interested in any of us.

I got another job as a forkie but left that and have gone into IT.

I have relaised unions are dinosaurs. I checked out site because a mate, still with the nuw told me to have a look. Glad I did because it proves my point. The nuw is a joke.

I also have been following this blog for a week.

This is a f#%ked up way of dealing with shit. A public slagging match, f#%k off you c#*ts.

I am proud NUW member who works in a warehouse. We the members are the union, we want a strong an united union to help us achieve better wages and conditions on the sites we work at.

Think about that before you continue making the NUW look like shit in public.

The members will decide the outcome as they should.

For those who are hell bent on destorying NUW should f#%k off now.

The members are the union, we will keep our union strong,proud and we will make the decisions to keep it that way.

For the union makes us strong??
Clearly not if you are a dinosaur member of the NSW Branch of just about any part of the Labour Movement. They roll a premier for daring to try and do something about the state’s chronic financial and service delivery problems, they stymie national IR reform by insisting on a system that allows them to boot their duds upstairs to the NSW IR Commission and they resist sensible reform of a counter productive structure even when they have a visionary leader like Donnelly.

Anon’s either under the table on his knees or looking in the mirror regarding the “visionary leader.”

The members are the union and the union is the members.

The outcome of this vote will be decided by the members as it should.

Stop wasting our money with court challenges and bring it on.

The court challenge is to ensure that there was time for members to properly consider this proposal, the states are realistic that the vote will be going ahead, i dont believe in half the stuff that is said on here, are these people really members of a proud union, because it doesnt take much for them to turn on them. Cant we have a debate without the public name calling? How juvenile is that and just shows how these people cant put a point across with facts. I will be voting against the change because i dont believe it will increase representation or services in our state, if i ring my state branch now they can be at my site within the hour if required will it be like that under the new structure, i dont think it will. i emplore all members to think about members in my state of SA, we are happy